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re: Supreme Court rules in favor of Religious companies not covering contraception
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:29 am to CatFan81
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:29 am to CatFan81
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Did you know that condoms have an 18% failure rate according to the CDC?
18% percent failure rate? I'M CALLING bullshite
Once again, is birth control expensive?
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:30 am to BluegrassBelle
The bill for my wife's IUD was like $3000, but insurance covered all of it. Thanks, Obama!
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:31 am to BluegrassBelle
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Depo
Depo is actually quite affordable. It's my BC of choice. $60 to $80 every three months.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:31 am to Vols&Shaft83
Pulling out is 100% effective
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:31 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Once again, is birth control expensive?
Once again, depends on what you're prescribed and it's purpose. Birth control that eliminates cycles for months at a time are often more expensive than just your one a day, 27 day cycle pill.
You guys do realize birth control is prescribed for everything from endometriosis to acne right?
This post was edited on 6/30/14 at 10:32 am
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:31 am to BluegrassBelle
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The way I read it, and I could be wrong, is that it doesn't necessarily give them a free pass on denying any kind of contraceptive. Just IUDs, Plan B, and another based upon when fertilization begins. Personally, I don't have a problem with it unless it's been prescribed for a medical condition/reason. It'd be shitty to deny that coverage to a woman who needs it to control endometriosis or something along those lines. But at that point I'd probably have to go tell Hobby Lobby to go frick itself.
Went to elementary school with the granddaughter of the people that founded Hobby Lobby. She was always very sick. I'm not sure with what. But she would miss six months at a time. She might have even graduated high school with me, I'm not sure, I completely lost track. But I know she's definitely an example of how health insurance can help people.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:32 am to CatFan81
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One should be covered for a medical necessity
People are free to leave and work for companies that offer it. Entitlements have destroyed this country in it's thought processes. Everyone thinks they're entitled to be provided something.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:32 am to DMagic
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Pulling out is 100% effective
Pulling out has always been effective for me, and I've dropped many a nuts in my day
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:32 am to BluegrassBelle
Digging a little deeper, the question was mostly focused on if a for profit could claim under that Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993. Birth control was really just the reason the case came up. Hence why in the ruling it covered the entire birth control mandate and not just Hobby Lobby's objections to Plan B.
Opens up some questions for future situations. Like...what if a company holds that vaccinations are against their beliefs? Could they decide to not cover vaccines?
Opens up some questions for future situations. Like...what if a company holds that vaccinations are against their beliefs? Could they decide to not cover vaccines?
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:33 am to BluegrassBelle
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Once again, depends on what you're prescribed and it's purpose. Birth control that eliminates cycles for months at a time are often more expensive than just your one a day, 27 day cycle pill.
You guys do realize birth control is prescribed for everything from endometriosis to acne right?
It gets rid of acne, makes their boobs bigger, and let's you spray up in their guts. It's one of the greatest things ever.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:33 am to Vols&Shaft83
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18% percent failure rate? I'M CALLING bullshite
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Once again, is birth control expensive?
It can be, yes. Particularly if one doesn't have a lot of extra income.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:33 am to Alahunter
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People are free to leave and work for companies that offer it. Entitlements have destroyed this country in it's thought processes. Everyone thinks they're entitled to be provided something.
If I pay good money for my insurance why shouldn't I feel like I should receive apt coverage?
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:34 am to CatFan81
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It'll run off the more progressive and well educated women but it'll draw in the hardcore jeebus people. It'll equal out for them.
i just went out and bought $10,000 in faaaabulous decorations from them to support their freedom of speech and and also help the gay rights movement.
one.
fell.
swoop.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:34 am to BluegrassBelle
If your employer is paying part of it, why shouldn't they feel like they have a say in what's covered?
Pay for an individual plan and 100% of it, and you can have whatever you want.
Pay for an individual plan and 100% of it, and you can have whatever you want.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:35 am to CatFan81
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Particularly if one doesn't have a lot of extra income.
Those Hobby Lobby clerks are rolling in the dough.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:36 am to Alahunter
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If your employer is paying part of it, why shouldn't they feel like they have a say in what's covered?
Luckily I work for an employer that won't be effected by this as a state entity.
So the employer should have a say with their half but the employee should not?
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:37 am to CatFan81
Not to mention that Hobby Lobby is extremely hypocritical. Most of their products come from China... you know, a country with extreme birth control practices.
Also...
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Documents filed with the Department of Labor and dated December 2012—three months after the company's owners filed their lawsuit—show that the Hobby Lobby 401(k) employee retirement plan held more than $73 million in mutual funds with investments in companies that produce emergency contraceptive pills, intrauterine devices, and drugs commonly used in abortions. Hobby Lobby makes large matching contributions to this company-sponsored 401(k).
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These companies include Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, which makes Plan B and ParaGard, a copper IUD, and Actavis, which makes a generic version of Plan B and distributes Ella. Other stock holdings in the mutual funds selected by Hobby Lobby include Pfizer, the maker of Cytotec and Prostin E2, which are used to induce abortions; Bayer, which manufactures the hormonal IUDs Skyla and Mirena; AstraZeneca, which has an Indian subsidiary that manufactures Prostodin, Cerviprime, and Partocin, three drugs commonly used in abortions; and Forest Laboratories, which makes Cervidil, a drug used to induce abortions. Several funds in the Hobby Lobby retirement plan also invested in Aetna and Humana, two health insurance companies that cover surgical abortions, abortion drugs, and emergency contraception in many of the health care policies they sell.
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:37 am to BluegrassBelle
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pay good money for my insurance why shouldn't I feel like I should receive apt coverage?
If your company pays good money for your insurance, shouldn't they have a say in what is and is not covered?
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:38 am to BluegrassBelle
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So the employer should have a say with their half but the employee should not?
Insurance isn't an entitlement. It's a benefit, and the employer should be able to offer whatever they want to offer, just as the employee can choose to work at a company that offers more, if they choose to.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:39 am to Alahunter
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Pay for an individual plan and 100% of it, and you can have whatever you want.
Because most people working these jobs can absolutely afford a private plan, right?
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If your employer is paying part of it, why shouldn't they feel like they have a say in what's covered?
If an individual is paying for half of it, why shouldn't they have a say in it?
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