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re: Alright, season or no?
Posted on 6/27/20 at 11:36 am to Funky Tide 8
Posted on 6/27/20 at 11:36 am to Funky Tide 8
Maybe they are asymptomatic, but are they allowed to play? If your kid is on the opposing team, do you want to let them play against a team that is full of infected players? One of the most dangerous co-morbidities with COVID is obesity. We say these kids are elite athletes and most are, but what if you have a player like Ish last year, or Mount Cody a few years back that aren't svelte and aren't exactly the picture of cut athlete? Do you allow them to potentially risk their health or even their life? The chance still isn't great, but it's a KNOWN risk. Some will say accidents happen in college football all the time and occassionally someone gets severely injured. That's true, but it's also random, sheer chance. This is a known risk with a known source, etc, that is completely preventable in the confines of a football game. Who is taking the responsibility for that? I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here. These issues will have to be addressed before anybody takes the field and they are hard issues to deal with.
Bars and restaurants are the absolute worst place to reopen. It sucks, but think about it: you are in a confined space with strangers, AC is circulating the air (and droplets), some are doing better with social distancing than others, same with other precautions. Some places are following all the guidelines and making everything disposable and some aren't. Alcohol impairs judgement and inhibitions, so maybe you aren't as concerned that someone is in your personal space, and worst of all, you can't eat or drink with a mask on. It's the perfect storm for community spread. Even if you are sitting in the stands for a football game, you can wear a mask. It won't be pleasant in Alabama in September, but it's not impossible. Maybe all games in September and October should be at night, at least in the south.
Bars and restaurants are the absolute worst place to reopen. It sucks, but think about it: you are in a confined space with strangers, AC is circulating the air (and droplets), some are doing better with social distancing than others, same with other precautions. Some places are following all the guidelines and making everything disposable and some aren't. Alcohol impairs judgement and inhibitions, so maybe you aren't as concerned that someone is in your personal space, and worst of all, you can't eat or drink with a mask on. It's the perfect storm for community spread. Even if you are sitting in the stands for a football game, you can wear a mask. It won't be pleasant in Alabama in September, but it's not impossible. Maybe all games in September and October should be at night, at least in the south.
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 11:43 am to phil4bama
Good post, Phil. All good things to think about.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 11:54 am to CrimsonBoz
Posted on 6/27/20 at 1:09 pm to phil4bama
Excellent post and good points. Well thought out . I am sometimes a “ fly off the cuff” type person 
and don’t think all things through sometimes maybe for selfish reasons IDK
and don’t think all things through sometimes maybe for selfish reasons IDK 
Posted on 6/27/20 at 1:36 pm to phil4bama
Good points.
I use my home town as an example but Destin has an influx of 60K people per week from all walks. We have a total of around 460 cases since this began. I’m shocked we don’t have more but people are still going to pile in Crab Trap and Joes alcohol or not.
I use my home town as an example but Destin has an influx of 60K people per week from all walks. We have a total of around 460 cases since this began. I’m shocked we don’t have more but people are still going to pile in Crab Trap and Joes alcohol or not.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:33 pm to phil4bama
Great post and wish more would look at the total picture not just theirs.
I mentioned last month that around 15-20% at each program has some preexisting condition that puts them at risk. Now that the thinking is this may be a cardio vascular issue even more concern. The NCAA already mandates sickle cell testing due to risk that has caused the sudden deaths of football players. This will just add another layer to it.
I mentioned last month that around 15-20% at each program has some preexisting condition that puts them at risk. Now that the thinking is this may be a cardio vascular issue even more concern. The NCAA already mandates sickle cell testing due to risk that has caused the sudden deaths of football players. This will just add another layer to it.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:05 pm to CrimsonBoz
It’s not looking likely.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 7:22 pm to phil4bama
Phil, you’re right that there are some things to consider regarding close proximity, however, who knows what goes around in camp every year that isn’t reported. For that matter every March teams have to struggle through tournaments with guys having the flu.
The COVID19 is really not that harmful for young people. It is another flu virus. Yes, someone could die, but that is a risk on any given day and the risk isn’t any greater now than most any other time.
The COVID19 is mostly hype.
The COVID19 is really not that harmful for young people. It is another flu virus. Yes, someone could die, but that is a risk on any given day and the risk isn’t any greater now than most any other time.
The COVID19 is mostly hype.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 6:06 am to LovetheLord
The sports world is planning on a season. Their gameplan is to get organized and work toward reopening and then see what's happening. The state of Texas was also planning to do business as usual, so they opened it all up and took their chances. It didn't take long to realize that it was the wrong strategy, so they are shutting down a lot of businesses again. Other states are also rethinking their strategy and beginning to realize they may have been premature in their all-out reopening as well. Again COVID-19 is dictating the rules.
Nothing wrong with plans and strategy, that's not the issue. The issue is whether this plague is going to cooperate. This pandemic needs to start getting better sooner than later.
Nothing wrong with plans and strategy, that's not the issue. The issue is whether this plague is going to cooperate. This pandemic needs to start getting better sooner than later.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 10:07 am to LovetheLord
COVID19 has been going around the US since last December, by the time everything started shutting down it was already widespread.
Had the testing now been available in March, the positive numbers would have been through the roof in March.
I'm pretty sure I had it back in January.
People are freaking out over the high numbers now, but the thing is, the high numbers have been here for months. The virus likely went widespread in the US back in January.
Had the testing now been available in March, the positive numbers would have been through the roof in March.
I'm pretty sure I had it back in January.
People are freaking out over the high numbers now, but the thing is, the high numbers have been here for months. The virus likely went widespread in the US back in January.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 10:38 am to remaster916
The Under Armour scandal with UCLA is the shot heard around the world. Expect a domino effect. Folks are delusional that we'll resume business soon or even a year afterwards.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 10:43 am to CrimsonBoz
It would take the creation of a bubble around football players and coaches similar to what is occuring in basic training right now with trainees and drill sergeants/cadre.
Not sure they are ready to commit to that. Creating secure lodging and dining facilities (all online course and limited contact with those outside the program) on campus along with gym/other facilities where all workers are screened and common areas cleaned throughly each day. Secured transportation and lodging to and from game locations. All players/coaches screened daily and tested biweekly. Plans to remove, house and monitor positive cases (asymptomatic and symtomatic) and possible exposures. This likely leads to a recommendation for 2-3 week buffer between games to ID the emergence of new cases after each game week interaction. But, more so, it is the reserve of coaches and players required to keep playing when an outbreak occurs that infects and exposes a large population.
It creates lots of options on rule changes and roster sizes to help make the season happen. But, all that said, I don't think we will see more than 6 games over the course of the season if we see one at all. Thise are spread over the course of the season based on measures mentioned above, or about all we get to when the spread becomes so pervasive the season is cancelled.
In any case, scholarships should be protected to avoid forcing a kid to play. That should be a choice and not forced obligation to continue school or future team membership. So, scholarship caps should be allowed to grow along with roster sizes and additional eligibility.
Not sure they are ready to commit to that. Creating secure lodging and dining facilities (all online course and limited contact with those outside the program) on campus along with gym/other facilities where all workers are screened and common areas cleaned throughly each day. Secured transportation and lodging to and from game locations. All players/coaches screened daily and tested biweekly. Plans to remove, house and monitor positive cases (asymptomatic and symtomatic) and possible exposures. This likely leads to a recommendation for 2-3 week buffer between games to ID the emergence of new cases after each game week interaction. But, more so, it is the reserve of coaches and players required to keep playing when an outbreak occurs that infects and exposes a large population.
It creates lots of options on rule changes and roster sizes to help make the season happen. But, all that said, I don't think we will see more than 6 games over the course of the season if we see one at all. Thise are spread over the course of the season based on measures mentioned above, or about all we get to when the spread becomes so pervasive the season is cancelled.
In any case, scholarships should be protected to avoid forcing a kid to play. That should be a choice and not forced obligation to continue school or future team membership. So, scholarship caps should be allowed to grow along with roster sizes and additional eligibility.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 12:14 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Good points.
I use my home town as an example but Destin has an influx of 60K people per week from all walks. We have a total of around 460 cases since this began. I’m shocked we don’t have more but people are still going to pile in Crab Trap and Joes alcohol or not.
Boz, you and I are in the same atmosphere regarding tourists. But few stay 2 weeks or more in the summer, so how many are coming to the beach, mingling in the bars, restaurants, and beaches and all, contracting or spreading COVID that they either brought with them or caught here and going home asymptomatic, then spreading it through their hometown? It's such a damn domino effect spreading under the radar.
It's almost to the point where you want to throw up your hands and say frick it, let's treat it like we used to treat chickenpox when we were kids. (This is pre-vaccine for chickenpox for you young-uns) If our parents found out someone in your circle had the pox, they would take you over and deliberately expose you to get you infected and get it over with. It was a relatively mild disease, with little danger if you were young (sound familiar?) but could be more serious if you were an adult. They didn't worry or know much about shingles at the time, so that wasn't a concern. So you has your chickenpox and were immune thereafter. Herd immunity in a real life example. How much better off would we be if everyone under 30 without comorbidities just got the damn stuff and got it over with if it conveyed immunity? But one of the serious problems is all of the data so far points to immunity quickly waning. It's looking more like the seasonal flu than the chickenpox, requiring annual vaccines to keep it at bay. Big Pharma has got to be loving that; another mandatory yearly vaccine that everyone will need to get and someone will have to pay for.
This post was edited on 6/28/20 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 6/28/20 at 3:42 pm to CrimsonBoz
No, once one player is tested positive you will have to quarantine the whole team that practiced or played with him. If not you would get the shite sued out of you.. and now days some how be labeled a racist if it’s a black player. They would say you didn’t care about their health because of the color. Is what it is.. culture we live in. This season is over.. sorry guys.
This post was edited on 6/28/20 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:19 pm to BamaBo7
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No, once one player is tested positive you will have to quarantine the whole team that practiced or played with him. If not you would get the shite sued out of you.. and now days some how be labeled a racist if it’s a black player. They would say you didn’t care about their health because of the color. Is what it is.. culture we live in. This season is over.. sorry guys.
Stop this bullshite
Posted on 6/28/20 at 10:42 pm to stomp
It’s a rough point but I see what he is saying and it can go for any race IMO.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:50 pm to CrimsonBoz
Bo is a coach and he is also a black fella. I ‘m pretty sure he can have an opinion and more than likely it is more knowledgeable than the rest of our opinions
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:19 am to stomp
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It’s already started by other athletes.. White AD’s forcing Black players.. this one happens to be about pay.. but it’s the mind set and schools will have to be extra careful to cater this idea. Any kinks in the armor of safety can quickly turn into White AD’s didn’t care about Black players.
First line spells it out.. And LeBron James just retweeted it out. Plus it’s in ESPN’s cover-page of their website today. Media fans this flame as it’s what’s selling today. I talk to my players daily.. it’s the mind set right now. It’s going to be very hard to have a productive season.. one positive test can really throw a schedule off for atleast 14 days. AD know the explosive environment they are dealing with right now.. I wouldn’t want to be one.
“As mostly white college athletic directors require their mostly Black football players to return to campus for "voluntary" workouts amid a growing pandemic, we can no longer ignore how both the COVID-19 crisis and the growing movement for civil justice require us to have an urgent conversation about the fundamental inequities in college sports today.”
It’s already started by other athletes.. White AD’s forcing Black players.. this one happens to be about pay.. but it’s the mind set and schools will have to be extra careful to cater this idea. Any kinks in the armor of safety can quickly turn into White AD’s didn’t care about Black players.
First line spells it out.. And LeBron James just retweeted it out. Plus it’s in ESPN’s cover-page of their website today. Media fans this flame as it’s what’s selling today. I talk to my players daily.. it’s the mind set right now. It’s going to be very hard to have a productive season.. one positive test can really throw a schedule off for atleast 14 days. AD know the explosive environment they are dealing with right now.. I wouldn’t want to be one.
“As mostly white college athletic directors require their mostly Black football players to return to campus for "voluntary" workouts amid a growing pandemic, we can no longer ignore how both the COVID-19 crisis and the growing movement for civil justice require us to have an urgent conversation about the fundamental inequities in college sports today.”
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 7:47 am
Posted on 6/29/20 at 8:29 am to Crimsonians
There will be classes on campus, just greatly reduced in size, and the ability to take the course on line. Same as the Alabama public schools. The only problem with that is the poor teachers would have to show up like it or not, plus they add to their problems greatly with the on line classes. The next 12 months will be very difficult and a financial nightmare for everyone.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:38 am to IB4bama
There is a massive difference between wanting a season, and rationaly believing you are going to have one.
Do we want a season? Of course.
Are we going to have one, at least, the way we've always had one? No - and it's a fool's errand to try to conceptualize an argument otherwise.
Here are the major obstacles you've got to overcome -
(1) Ensuring students are on campus in some capacity this fall. Why? Because under the guise of "amateurism" the NCAA and it's member schools can't profit the way they normally can without school going on, and other students - not just athletes, attending class
(2) 50 states, 50 cases, 50 governors. Thanks to the powers of the 10th amendment and the silence of the federal government up to this point, each state still has the right to mandate what regulations to put in place. Here in Georgia, our fair governor doesn't give a DAMN about COVID-19. Our neighbors to the south, Florida, are experiencing an unbelievable spike in cases. How can you competitively maintain a schedule where Sanford Stadium has ~50% capacity (it won't be 100%, don't care what their e-mail said) versus 0%? Moreover - how about taking 250 university students and personnel to Dallas (major COVID hotbed) to play another 250 university personnel from Los Angeles? Say you get that done - there is still no way you'll have fans, virtually all from outside the state coming in for the game.
(3) Virtually no college has the financial wherewithal to withstand a the legal liability associated with hosting games with more than 20% capacity. COVID-19 is the most publicized pandemic in human history - the information overload from the CDC alone is enough support to take any class-action suit to court and hold a death-blow judgment against any University that decides to host large crowds. "Assumption of risk" will not be a defense, as the argument for gross negligence would be almost indefensible at this juncture.
NFL owners are a totally different hemisphere of wealth and power, and that is why they can take the risk. This isn't a 1-1 situation between college and pro.
If there will be college football this season, it won't have very many fans, if any at all. For schools not like Alabama (Arkansas, Mizzou, Maryland, Indiana, Arizona, etc...), the incentive plainly isn't there to go forward with a full slate. The incentive for schools outside the P5 is plain, zero.
My preference? Punt until the spring.
College football is nothing without its atmosphere. Any return of fans we could have next March would greatly enhance the sport we love. College football in a sterile environment is just not going to be a good product. Heck, Alabama's margin of victory last year was 25.8 - so we know the games themselves (Ok, 2-3) aren't terribly exciting.
We like college football for so many different reasons that is not the game on the field - almost moreso. It's why we still have people attend Alabama-Charleston Southern. It's not the game, it's the surroundings. The quicker we get to that, the better.
Do we want a season? Of course.
Are we going to have one, at least, the way we've always had one? No - and it's a fool's errand to try to conceptualize an argument otherwise.
Here are the major obstacles you've got to overcome -
(1) Ensuring students are on campus in some capacity this fall. Why? Because under the guise of "amateurism" the NCAA and it's member schools can't profit the way they normally can without school going on, and other students - not just athletes, attending class
(2) 50 states, 50 cases, 50 governors. Thanks to the powers of the 10th amendment and the silence of the federal government up to this point, each state still has the right to mandate what regulations to put in place. Here in Georgia, our fair governor doesn't give a DAMN about COVID-19. Our neighbors to the south, Florida, are experiencing an unbelievable spike in cases. How can you competitively maintain a schedule where Sanford Stadium has ~50% capacity (it won't be 100%, don't care what their e-mail said) versus 0%? Moreover - how about taking 250 university students and personnel to Dallas (major COVID hotbed) to play another 250 university personnel from Los Angeles? Say you get that done - there is still no way you'll have fans, virtually all from outside the state coming in for the game.
(3) Virtually no college has the financial wherewithal to withstand a the legal liability associated with hosting games with more than 20% capacity. COVID-19 is the most publicized pandemic in human history - the information overload from the CDC alone is enough support to take any class-action suit to court and hold a death-blow judgment against any University that decides to host large crowds. "Assumption of risk" will not be a defense, as the argument for gross negligence would be almost indefensible at this juncture.
NFL owners are a totally different hemisphere of wealth and power, and that is why they can take the risk. This isn't a 1-1 situation between college and pro.
If there will be college football this season, it won't have very many fans, if any at all. For schools not like Alabama (Arkansas, Mizzou, Maryland, Indiana, Arizona, etc...), the incentive plainly isn't there to go forward with a full slate. The incentive for schools outside the P5 is plain, zero.
My preference? Punt until the spring.
College football is nothing without its atmosphere. Any return of fans we could have next March would greatly enhance the sport we love. College football in a sterile environment is just not going to be a good product. Heck, Alabama's margin of victory last year was 25.8 - so we know the games themselves (Ok, 2-3) aren't terribly exciting.
We like college football for so many different reasons that is not the game on the field - almost moreso. It's why we still have people attend Alabama-Charleston Southern. It's not the game, it's the surroundings. The quicker we get to that, the better.
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 10:39 am
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