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re: Nate Craig Myers - He gone.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 9:32 am to rbWarEagle
Posted on 9/21/18 at 9:32 am to rbWarEagle
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what the hell is going on?
nega empowerment.
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Posted on 9/21/18 at 9:45 am to ThaiTiger24
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We lost to the #6 ranked team in the country by 1 point - we already beat another top ten ranked team in Washington. We are currently ranked #9 and you guys want to Blame Gus for that? LOLs.
Both games have been sloppy with turnovers, penalties, and inconsistent offensive play. We haven't played good football since the IB.
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 9:45 am
Posted on 9/21/18 at 9:47 am to Fear The Thumb
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Both games have been sloppy with turnovers, penalties, and inconsistent offensive play. We haven't played good football since the IB.
That's fair but to compare at all to 2012 is just plain dumb
Now if we lose this weekend then all bets are off
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:21 am to Ccslimm
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Of course he always covered, we only run 4 routes, not hard to defend if the defense knows what we will run based on formation and personell packages.
Seth Williams hasn’t had much trouble getting open, and he’s been playing NCM’s position
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:25 am to AA7
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Seth Williams hasn’t had much trouble getting open, and he’s been playing NCM’s position
Seth Williams has literally only 4 career catches, 1 of which he wasn't even open in the slightest.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:32 am to AA7
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Seth Williams hasn’t had much trouble getting open, and he’s been playing NCM’s position
It doesn’t matter if they are open or not. It only matters if the play is designed to get him the ball.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:37 am to tilco
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It doesn’t matter if they are open or not. It only matters if the play is designed to get him the ball.
I love the extreme posts after we lose a game
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:51 am to blzr
We’ve played poorly so far. Believe we lead the SEC in penalties and penalty yards and near the top in turnovers. This is not a well coached team. Our defensive fundamentals are still okay, nothing more. We are not missing tackles and tackling out of bounds (as we used to) and that’s the only reason why we aren’t 1-2.
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:54 am to jangalang
Most of you don't even understand that the majority of our passing game is just there to enable or compliment the run. We utilize three main "roles" in receiving which make up the majority of receiver use:
1) Short gadget plays like screens and sweeps which are essentially de-facto running plays that are utilized to make the defense respect the width of the field, otherwise they would bottle everything inside which is where the runningbacks operate.
2) Deep threats. These are used to prevent the safeties from crashing down. You will often see them force the ball downfield even when its not really open, these are designed plays to establish a threat of deep passes. They also work "in reverse" in that when the run is working, they can establish a big-play aspect to the offense by catching the defense cheating to stop the run and creating explosive plays.
3) Blocking and clear-out routes. These are as they sound: receivers who are either directly blocking for the runner (whether that be a runningback or a guy catching a screen) or running a route that is supposed to clear out a spot on the field for a designed receiver (ie: Ryan Davis) to catch the ball in space. This was the majority of NCM's "role" on this team.
Yes, we run a few traditional routes and target guys in traditional passing principles, but once you realize what the true purpose of the receiving game is you will then understand why when we are put in situations where we MUST throw the ball (ie: the run is stopped completely, or we are so far down that running is a waste of time, or we're in 3rd and long situations) the offense is almost always a failure bar for a complete defensive mistake or a miraculous individual play: this passing offense, if you even want to call it that, is not viable on its own. This entire offense is completely mechanical: when the pieces are there and the execution is crisp, it is hard to stop because we can just play the different "cogs" against each other to attack whatever the defense isn't selling out to defend. Like most "systems" however, good defenses have learned how to disable critical parts and can force you to have to execute perfectly if the talent is comparable, whereas when Gus first broke through his offense was like playing on easy-mode because no one knew how to react. This was the same fate that faced Rich Rodriguez and his at-one-point unstoppable offense with Pat White. Once you took away the staple running play, everything collapsed. Just like with us, once you disable our base plays there is nowhere for the offense to go and you soon realize that our passing attack is just a mirage. The majority of what you guys consider to be "passing accomplishments" under Gus were just schematic successes: plays designed to get 'X' receiver open in 'Y' spot. While that may sound like the purpose of every passing play, the way it is gone about is drastically different from a traditional offense. NFL personnel aren't stupid, so even when they see guys put up big numbers in our offense, they understand that these players are hardly prepped with an actual receiving skillset, so you get Gus' nonexistent track record at the position which seems impossible given how many nationally ranked receivers we have signed, with the only two guys even getting a sniff being guys who just Combined their way into the league despite possessing little knowledge of the actual intricacy of the position.
The mechanical/"by-design" nature of this offense is why Gus will never hire an established "Pro" coach at the receiver position. Obviously, such a person would object to the nature of this passing game in principle because it violates traditional practice, and Gus obviously can't handle being second guessed like that. Hence you get Kodi Burns, and that really wasn't meant as a shot at him, its more an explanation as to why Gus felt compelled to get a former-disciple who didn't know anything other than this "system" and would have no problem confirming whatever Gus wants to confirm.
1) Short gadget plays like screens and sweeps which are essentially de-facto running plays that are utilized to make the defense respect the width of the field, otherwise they would bottle everything inside which is where the runningbacks operate.
2) Deep threats. These are used to prevent the safeties from crashing down. You will often see them force the ball downfield even when its not really open, these are designed plays to establish a threat of deep passes. They also work "in reverse" in that when the run is working, they can establish a big-play aspect to the offense by catching the defense cheating to stop the run and creating explosive plays.
3) Blocking and clear-out routes. These are as they sound: receivers who are either directly blocking for the runner (whether that be a runningback or a guy catching a screen) or running a route that is supposed to clear out a spot on the field for a designed receiver (ie: Ryan Davis) to catch the ball in space. This was the majority of NCM's "role" on this team.
Yes, we run a few traditional routes and target guys in traditional passing principles, but once you realize what the true purpose of the receiving game is you will then understand why when we are put in situations where we MUST throw the ball (ie: the run is stopped completely, or we are so far down that running is a waste of time, or we're in 3rd and long situations) the offense is almost always a failure bar for a complete defensive mistake or a miraculous individual play: this passing offense, if you even want to call it that, is not viable on its own. This entire offense is completely mechanical: when the pieces are there and the execution is crisp, it is hard to stop because we can just play the different "cogs" against each other to attack whatever the defense isn't selling out to defend. Like most "systems" however, good defenses have learned how to disable critical parts and can force you to have to execute perfectly if the talent is comparable, whereas when Gus first broke through his offense was like playing on easy-mode because no one knew how to react. This was the same fate that faced Rich Rodriguez and his at-one-point unstoppable offense with Pat White. Once you took away the staple running play, everything collapsed. Just like with us, once you disable our base plays there is nowhere for the offense to go and you soon realize that our passing attack is just a mirage. The majority of what you guys consider to be "passing accomplishments" under Gus were just schematic successes: plays designed to get 'X' receiver open in 'Y' spot. While that may sound like the purpose of every passing play, the way it is gone about is drastically different from a traditional offense. NFL personnel aren't stupid, so even when they see guys put up big numbers in our offense, they understand that these players are hardly prepped with an actual receiving skillset, so you get Gus' nonexistent track record at the position which seems impossible given how many nationally ranked receivers we have signed, with the only two guys even getting a sniff being guys who just Combined their way into the league despite possessing little knowledge of the actual intricacy of the position.
The mechanical/"by-design" nature of this offense is why Gus will never hire an established "Pro" coach at the receiver position. Obviously, such a person would object to the nature of this passing game in principle because it violates traditional practice, and Gus obviously can't handle being second guessed like that. Hence you get Kodi Burns, and that really wasn't meant as a shot at him, its more an explanation as to why Gus felt compelled to get a former-disciple who didn't know anything other than this "system" and would have no problem confirming whatever Gus wants to confirm.
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 11:57 am
Posted on 9/21/18 at 12:06 pm to metafour
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The mechanical/"by-design" nature of this offense is why Gus will never hire an established "Pro" coach at the receiver position. Obviously, such a person would object to the nature of this passing game in principle because it violates traditional practice, and Gus obviously can't handle being second guessed like that.
Which is why he ran off Craig.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 12:33 pm to metafour
Cam Newton is essentially the only player from Gus Malzahn’s offense that has made a big impact in the NFL.
No other QB has. No RB has. No WR has. No TE has. No OL have.
This is even dating back to his time as OC.
His offense simply doesn’t prepare any offensive players for future success.
No other QB has. No RB has. No WR has. No TE has. No OL have.
This is even dating back to his time as OC.
His offense simply doesn’t prepare any offensive players for future success.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 12:57 pm to TTsTowel
Not many coaches put out cam like players to the NFL. He does have some decent backs tho.
I’ll take a Nick Marshall qb who can’t play in the nfl any day tho
I’ll take a Nick Marshall qb who can’t play in the nfl any day tho
Posted on 9/21/18 at 1:04 pm to metafour
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1) Short gadget plays like screens and sweeps which are essentially de-facto running plays that are utilized to make the defense respect the width of the field, otherwise they would bottle everything inside which is where the runningbacks operate.
2) Deep threats. These are used to prevent the safeties from crashing down. You will often see them force the ball downfield even when its not really open, these are designed plays to establish a threat of deep passes. They also work "in reverse" in that when the run is working, they can establish a big-play aspect to the offense by catching the defense cheating to stop the run and creating explosive plays.
3) Blocking and clear-out routes. These are as they sound: receivers who are either directly blocking for the runner (whether that be a runningback or a guy catching a screen) or running a route that is supposed to clear out a spot on the field for a designed receiver (ie: Ryan Davis) to catch the ball in space. This was the majority of NCM's "role" on this team.
The funny thing about this...I realize you are stating it as some revelatory thought, but this is basically the purpose behind everyones offensive scheme.
1) Short throws spread the box.
2) Deep throws force a safety high.
3) Clearing out, for the purpose of creating space.
What crazy football concepts. :) I realize a few coaches in history have run an offense totally predicated on the pass, but most, I'd guess more than 90% are trying to establish the run and use the pass as an asset to support this greater goal. Two teams that come to mind are bama and uga. Oh yea, New England.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 1:34 pm to Tigerman97
Anybody notice any other teams going through this kind of attrition in season like us?
Posted on 9/21/18 at 1:45 pm to Tigerman97
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I'd guess more than 90% are trying to establish the run and use the pass as an asset to support this greater goal.
I admire how other teams attack the field. Our offense looks like we're trying to get 10 yeards 10 times until we hit the goal line.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 2:42 pm to blzr
I like this new transfer rule. We can move people who can't bring value.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 2:53 pm to AUtigR24
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I admire how other teams attack the field. Our offense looks like we're trying to get 10 yeards 10 times until we hit the goal line.
Or they set up things for later in the game. We never do that. We run that bubble screen 100 times instead of taking it to throw deep.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 3:24 pm to AUCE05
quote:Yeah, but you can't readily replace them. I think it's going to have a negative impact on player development.
I like this new transfer rule. We can move people who can't bring value.
Luckily Gus doesn't develop our players, amiright??
Posted on 9/22/18 at 4:39 am to TheJones
Jones.....??
Posted on 9/22/18 at 9:34 am to Pavoloco83
Hey bud
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