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He recruited the best classes in UCF history and put players in the NFL. He was not a failure and he didn't run them into the dirt.
Sounds like you need to get the facts right. He inherited a winning program with an explosive offense, and by his 3rd and 4th season they were a losing team and getting worse. 50% of his seasons at UCF were losing seasons. That is by definition a failure, considering that he didn't inherit a losing program. It means the program declined under him, which is absolutely what happened.
Its also hilarious how his 3rd/4th seasons looked almost identical to the tail end of his Auburn tenure: UCF was a defense-driven team with an ugly offense that could only try to play the ball possession game. The games they did win were all generally slop-fests. He inherited a team that was humming to the tune of 40+ PPG scored.
And he was going to retire because he was failing, and UCF fans hated his product. He wasn't thinking of retiring because things were going too well at UCF.
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Thats not true. lets look at the last 2 NC outside Indiana. Mich was a senior laden team built from HS, OSU was not filled with transfers but built through top 3 HS recruting classes.
OSU won with a Senior transfer QB from Kansas State. They weren't filled with transfers, but the most important player on the field was a transfer.
And as mentioned above, you are referencing to teams that won during the 'transitionary' period before the Portal blew up.
Take a look at Ohio State's number of Portal additions per year:
2022: 2
2023: 9
2024: 8
2025: 10
2026: 16
So even schools like OSU (one of your examples) have been forced to gradually increase their usage of the Portal year over year. And you are seeing young 4 and 5-star HS signees from their roster leaving after 1-2 years (like the WR that visited us and ended up transferring to Notre Dame). Even OSU can't just keep everyone on their roster happy 24/7 under the current climate. They had 32 players transfer OUT in this current 2026 class.
The teams that are strong/competitive year over year will likely normalize into that 15-20 transfers-in per year range. Building through HS will still be important, but what Indiana has shown is that you need to go Portal heavy early in your tenure to establish the program, and then you can start shifting towards leaning on developing HS players once you have established a winning culture that will enticed those players to stay on instead of leaving. What Hugh Freeze tried to do was retarded: nobody has time to wait 3-4 years for a team full of HS players to mature. and those HS players aren't going to sit around for 3-4 years of losing football either.
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I still think HS recruiting needs to make up 80% of your program. Cig got lucky with Mendoza. But so did Chizik and O. I would rather have sustained success like Kirby.
He made the CFP last season as well with some no-name QB from Miami (of Ohio).
He didn't get lucky with anything. Their player development/evaluation is through the fricking roof. They have talent all over the field. The whole claim that they have no talent because someone didn't give them a 5-star rating is moronic. Their talent is elite, as proven by the dominance on the field.
On3 just launched their "Impact Rankings" (basically ranking the actual current players across the country as if they were recruits) and Indiana had something like 8 or 9 players on the Top 100 players nationally. One of them was the QB Josh Hoover who just transferred from TCU so you can exclude him, but the remainder were basically all under-recruited players that they have developed into monsters.
And its not all 24 year old Super-Seniors. They have players like this Charlie Becker kid who was the #80 WR (247 ranking) from Tennessee that came out of the same HS class as Cam Coleman and Perry Thompson. This kid was sitting in SEC country and Indiana snatched him up and he now ranks among the 100 best players in the country according to On3:
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Another example is LB Rolijah Hardy. This kid was a 0-star from Florida from that same 2024 HS class, and he is now ranked as one of the best LB's in the entire country. It is simply absurd scouting and development:
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It looks like Ole Miss is going to land Miami OT Tommy Kinsler:
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Ole Miss and Pete Golding are trending to land another transfer portal commitment, On3 has learned. Miami offensive lineman Tommy Kinsler has made visits to Auburn and Ole Miss, but sources tell On3 that the Rebels hold the momentum.
I’ve logged a prediction in favor of Ole Miss to land Kinsler, who can play guard or tackle. The 6-foot-6, 340-pound offensive lineman backed up offensive tackle Francis Mauigoa on this year’s Miami team, which played for the national championship on Monday night. Kinsler has two years of eligibility remaining.
The Ocala (Fla.) Trinity Catholic product was part of the 2023 high school class and is a former four-star recruit. The Rebels have lost five offensive linemen to the portal and have already brought in three. Kinsler would mark the fourth addition.
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Was a starter for the school he played for before transferring in.
You mean mighty Arkansas State? :lol:
Keyron Crawford would not have been a starter at LSU or Ole Miss either. You understand this, right?
You are now arguing that a player's specific circumstances are irrelevant. Which is idiotic. Being the backup to Jeremiah Smith at OSU is obviously not the same as being the backup to whoever was the #1 WR at Kentucky last season. They are completely different circumstances, even though both players are "backups".
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That player that was Ahead of Wommack left right? So why didn't they try to keep him.
Who says that they didn't try? His HS position coach (Wayne Dorsey) is on staff at Auburn and played a huge role in getting him here. He didn't even take any other visits, which means we clearly worked hard to push him straight to Auburn from Ole Miss.
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The light very rarely comes on in someones senior year.
He was in the regular playing rotation on one of of the best teams in the entire country. He even played in the CFP. You keep speaking as if he wasn't even able to get on the field. Again, he was considerably more productive at Ole Miss as a JR than Keyron Crawford was at Auburn in 2024 as a JR. Do you think its an impossibility for a contributor on an elite team to become a viable starter on another team?
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Faulk and Phillips we're buried on the depth chart and haven't done anything on the field and a week ago not a soul here would have cared if they transferred, but now they are ready to jump from not contributing to starter.
I have no idea what to make of Phillips, but Faulk was a true freshman last season. So whether or not he was a buried on the depth chart is irrelevant. They clearly prioritized keeping both him and Phillips on the roster, which is telling. Its not like Faulk wouldn't have been coveted if he had entered the Portal.
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How do we actually know Golesh is happy with that spot? For all we know he's as worried as I am.That's just a guess.
Because that spot has had minimal roster turnover. They have lost Crawford to graduation, and Amaris Williams to the Portal...and hat is basically it (counting Keldric Faulk as more of a DL). Caleb Wheatland also left, but that guy barely even saw the field. They have otherwise CHOSEN to retain basically all of the young & highly recruited talent that they had on the roster. This is telling because if you look elsewhere on the roster, there have been position groups where they have basically flipped the entire room over. And that includes young talent as well (eg: Donovan Starr at CB, who was in the same HS class as JJ Faulk). If they thought that they had nothing at Edge/DE, then you would have seen more aggressive cleansing of the roster. And this is supported by what they have done at positions like TE, WR, OL, etc. by comparison.
So like I said before: the staff is either higher on Womack/Nate Johnson than you are, or they are higher on the young players on the roster who they chose to prioritize for retention than you are...or both.
You can also look at their recruitment (or lack thereof) of Edge players in the Portal as proof. Who else other than Womack and Johnson were even brought in on visits? You would be able to tell that Golesh was "worried" if we had brought in a bunch more players for visits at that position and ultimately missed on them, but that isn't what happened at all. They basically prioritized two guys and landed both of them. There has been no scrambling to try to find more bodies, which is what you would expect to see if there was worry about the position.
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Back up, back up, back up.
You understand that players can progress from back up, to starter, correct? In fact, this is the normal progression for 95%+ of players on the field.
Keyron Crawford was a BACKUP in 2024 as a Junior. And he was a STARTER in 2025 as a Senior. Keyron Crawford did not start in front of Jalen McCleod. Why?
Like what are we even talking about here? Wommack is forever a "backup" because that's the role he had at Ole Miss...where he was playing behind one of the best Edge defenders in the conference? There is no fathomable scenario where he himself is projected to be a starter? Elite recruit Jared Smith can't be a "starter"? Why? Would you not expect a player of this caliber to progress into a starting role in year 2, and then go to the NFL in year 3? Like Keldric Faulk? Keldric Faulk didn't walk into Auburn as a "starter" LOL.
Like I said - the staff has clearly decided that they are happy with the players they have at that position. Which means that they believe they have a viable "STARTER". You are free to disagree, but your argument to date seems to be hilariously silly.
They clearly have starters in mind, regardless of whether or not anyone here agrees with them. They didn't "forget" to look at the depth chart and haven't noticed that they "don't have a starting DE".
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Haven't heard anything about that player linking us to him.
He is in Auburn today on a visit.
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I doubt this was a great business decision unless we encouraged him to move on.
I mean he would have been riding the bench here again next season. He's not starting over Ramil or Simmons. A guy like this needs to go and start playing somewhere if he actually has desire to see the field, and that means dropping down to a smaller program. He's been here for what? 3 seasons now?
Kansas State is a good outcome if he can actually win a starting role there. Its obvious that it was unlikely to ever happen here.
Ram emojis. This is DL D'antre Robinson:
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Its both Meta. You have to weigh everything. A 5 star going into his senior year as a likely back up is a bust. He can be decent roster filler and that's fine. I'm not complaining about getting him. I'm just being real about how his career has turned out so far. If we are lucky Faulk or Phillips takes a step forward and lock down the starting job.
The Portal rankings weigh production, seniority, and perceived "talent" to try to give an overall rating of each player versus their peers. Obviously this has to be all weighted because otherwise how do you rank someone like Deuce Knight who has proven virtually nothing, vs. a Senior QB transfer who may have multiple standout seasons of production?
You say that Womack is a bust, and yet clearly the evaluation services disagree. They have him ranked as the 9th best Edge in the Portal class (that is going by On3 Industry ranking).
Amaris Williams: 92.62 Transfer Rating (On3 Industry)
Deshawn Womack: 92.35 Transfer Rating (On3 Industry)
So the services view these two players as incredibly comparable. Again, this takes into account that one is entering their Senior season, and the other their Junior season.
If you look at On3's solo rankings, they actually have Womack as a 90, and Amaris Williams as an 89. So On3 rates Womack as being better than Amaris Williams lol.
Again, my entire point here is that you need to apply consistent logic. You are jumping through hoops here. Oh, Amaris Williams played behind Faulk! What, did Ole Miss have no elite Edge/DL players? They just barely missed playing for the national championship. The fact that Womack is entering his Senior year and doesn't have a standout season yet also doesn't really prove anything. We just had Keyron Crawford here who was considerably more productive than Amaris Williams was this season, and Crawford had 0 sacks as a Junior at Auburn last season.
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There are a shite ton of strawmen in that post.
Womack will be a senior next year entering his third school. His stats were mid for an upperclassman getting to play in 15 games.
Amaris will be a junior next year and should still be in Auburn. Imagine me knighting for some mercenary kid looking for the ole check.
There are no strawmen in my argument LOL.
Womack is one year older, big deal. He was playing behind an elite Edge. By all intents and purposes they are similar - hence why the Portal rankings have them ranked incredibly similarly. If you think that Amaris Williams is a huge loss, then by default Womack should be a huge gain. That is the whole point of the player rankings, otherwise why rank players at all?
Also, Amaris Williams is the definition of a mercenary. He signed with Auburn out of HS at the last second after decommitting from Florida because of money, then he announced he would enter the Portal last season after only one season at Auburn, but he pulled back after he got paid to do so. Then after his second season he entered the Portal. This is effectively no different than Womack, the only difference is that we had to pay Amaris Williams to stay on here. Both players have otherwise been shopping themselves for the best deal each year.
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Amaris was only in his 2nd year and behind Faulk and still has had more production.
They had virtually the same production, and Womack was also playing behind Princewill Umanmielen who had 9 sacks last season, so what is your point? Bringing up Faulk is comical considering that Faulk was a swiss-army knife who at times would line up at DT. Amaris Williams and Faulk were not competing for playing time or production.
Look guys, you can't have it both ways. I heard repeatedly that it is supposedly a travesty that Auburn has lost multiple players who in actuality had little to no production because they ranked high out of HS or in the current portal ranking, but then at the same time when Auburn brings in similar players from other programs who rank high based on perceived "talent" you pretend like now all of a sudden their lack of production makes them trivial? If production is the only thing that matters, then Auburn has lost little from last year's roster.
By your own logic, losing Cam Coleman and his middling 700 yards of production isn't even a big deal. Who cares about his "talent"? Look at his production, or lack thereof.
Auburn wasn't the only team with allegedly talented players who for whatever reason didn't meet production, so its comical to talk out of both sides of your mouth. The amount of selective reasoning being applied is ridiculous. Losing Amaris Williams is huge! He is talented! But acquiring Womack is mid! He doesn't have elite production!
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All of the pieces we have brought in the last few days are depth and roster filler. If I sit here and complain about every random player on the team I'd go crazy, but none of them are impact players (fine for roster fillers though) I'm shocked to see so many going crazy about Womack and he has been a bust up to this point and was a back up for Ole Miss. I'm just sitting back and letting yall enjoy these scraps, no reason for me to come in and shite on everything.
Hilarious you just brought up Womack. You may want to take a look at the rating bump that he just received :thup:
re: Portal Extravaganza - Walker/Texas tackle returns! edition
Posted by metafour on 1/18/26 at 11:12 am to Beachbum87
Probably the Stanford kid that just visited.
re: Portal Extravaganza - Walker/Texas tackle returns! edition
Posted by metafour on 1/17/26 at 1:08 pm to The_SwAUggford
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I will never. To me he's the best rb of my lifetime (I was 9 in 04). And it's not even that close fr. Kerryon and Tank would be next but theres a decent sized gap between.
Kerryon and Tank would have likely been just as productive in that 2013 offense. RB's are very much dependent on the players and scheme around them, and that running offense in 2013 was absurd. Tre Mason doesn't do what he does without Greg Robinson, Jay Prosch, Nick Marshall, Reese Dismukes, etc. Robinson in particular put up a legendary run blocking season. In that one game vs. Missouri where Mason ran for 300 yards, I think they just ran the ball behind him on like 75% of the carries and he was pushing guys 5+ yards downfield. Jay Prosch was equally dominant by FB standards.
Tank Bigsby by comparison played in late-stage Gus Malzahn's offense (ie: no OL, and everyone in the country knew all the play-calls) and Bryan Harsin's talent depleted offense with TJ Finley at QB. If you see the runs that Tank is pulling off in the NFL, its really not hard to envision what he would look like in that 2013 offense.
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Scrap's Height and weight all over.
I mean, the ND roster one would be the most accurate. They aren't going to list him as shorter than he really is. The rest are recruiting profile heights.
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I was expecting upgrades.
Upgrades to what? The multiple transfer OL that they signed 1-2 weeks ago who are all projected to start?
It is pretty obvious that Ramil (OT), Simmons (OT), and Best (C) were brought in as expected starters. That leaves two spots on the OL, with the Maryland OG still in play on top of the other USF OG they signed, and the young guys who were already on the roster (Kail Ellis, Jacobe' Ward, etc.) who are capable of competing for a starting role.
Are some of you expecting that they signed guys like Ramil and Simmons to sit on the bench? I'm confused by what the confusion is. The USF center that they signed is one of the highest rated OC's/IOL in the portal and is very experienced.
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