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What is Jeremy Foley’s legacy in Florida football? (Long)

Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:32 am
Posted by LSU Jax
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:32 am
This guy has been held up and hailed as one of the greatest athletic directors college sports has ever seen. Is that true though? Sure, overall UF athletics excelled while he was there. But what is his legacy with regard to the UF football program?

Spurrier was already there when he was hired and many accounts have him as being one of the reasons that Spurrier ultimately left. He felt like he didn’t have Foley’s full support. At the time he left I would wager that he had ten to twelve seasons worth of great college teams left in him had he stayed in Gainesville.

On the heels of Spurrier leaving Foley made a dog of a hire with Ron Zook. A hire so bad he had to fire him in the middle of his third season. At least Zook could recruit though, leaving a good roster for the start of the Meyer era.

Speaking of Meyer, of course Foley gets the credit for hiring him, and it’s easy for people like some dumbass Jacksonville afternoon radio Gator homer/Foley friend to state such. But does anybody really believe that that hire was not largely due to Bernie Machen? I know damn sure I don’t.

So once Meyer finally flames out he takes a gamble on Will Muschamp. Muschamp may still wind up being a pretty good coach, but a lot of heads were being scratched over UF hiring an assistant with no head coaching experience. As is well documented, the results were awful. At least he was a pretty good recruiter too, although that manifest itself pretty much on the defense only. Muschamp ushered in an era of offensive misery in Gainesville that is still going strong and he coached the team to perhaps the most galling loss in the history of the program, to Georgia Southern, in 2013.

So, once Foley finally wised up and fired Muschamp, he pulled his most disastrous stunt yet of his reign, Jim McElwain. And by stunt, I’m talking about the fact the he actually camped out in that loser’s home, determined not to leave until he agreed to become the new Gator coach. We’re not talking about Nick Saban here. Jim McElwain??? This is the guy this genius decided he could not do without? To the point of embarrasing himself to get him to agree to come to Gainesville? Well, one would think that McElwain must be the next Spurrier or Meyer with the way Foley conducted himself. Instead, he turned out to be the biggest disaster of Foley’s tenure. Sure, he won the East by default his first two years but holy crap what a horrific coach. And not only is he a terrible coach, he couldn’t recruit worth a damn, which makes UF’s current dearth of talent his, and Foley’s fault. Now people are recognizing that and are saying that this is a two or three year rebuild for Florida, which would’ve seemed unthinkable even just two or three years ago.

And lastly, UF’s current football problem isn’t relegated to just Foley’s disastrous hires, but also in large part to his insufferable arrogance and refusal to believe that he had to keep up with the arms race with regard to facilities. The result of this arrogance is a pretty stunning lack of modern football facilities like you’ll find at most football power schools. Let’s say you have a recruit who has narrowed his choices down to UF and Clemson or UF and Alabama. Once that kid sees the facilities at UF and compares them to the other school’s facilities UF doesn’t stand a chance to land him. And this stunning failure to plan and lack of foresight is largely the fault of one man... Jeremy Foley.

So, in light of his neglect of the true cash cow of Florida athletics, can Jeremy Foley really be considered one of the greatest athletic directors college sports has seen? I think not.
Posted by WildcatMike
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:51 am to
Can I have Cliffs? Thanks
Posted by Cdawg
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:59 am to
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This guy has been held up and hailed as one of the greatest athletic directors college sports has ever seen.

He is?
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 11:00 am to
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does anybody really believe that that hire was not largely due to Bernie Machen? I know damn sure I don’t.

i thought it was known knowledge that bernie was the only reason meyer came to florida.
Posted by momentoftruth87
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 11:02 am to
Voted up
Posted by Jorts R Us
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 11:04 am to
His biggest failure was letting UF fall behind in the facilities arms race.
Posted by LSU Jax
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 11:19 am to
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His biggest failure was letting UF fall behind in the facilities arms race.

Agreed. I just find it interesting that at a football school, he also had three awful football head coach hires after one of the best basketball hires ever in the SEC.
Posted by LSU Jax
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 11:23 am to
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Can I have Cliffs? Thanks

The “great” Jeremy Foley was terrible at hiring football coaches and keeping up with other schools in football facilities, leading to the current predicament with UF football.

Lazy-arse.
Posted by Jorts R Us
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 11:26 am to
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Agreed. I just find it interesting that at a football school, he also had three awful football head coach hires after one of the best basketball hires ever in the SEC.


Zook and Mcelwain were straight awful hires. I understood the Muschamp hire. A lot of UF fans were salty about a coordinator netting his first HC gig at a school like UF but he was one of the best defensive minds in football and HCIW at Texas. At the time, it looked like a huge get.

All in all, people will look at the championships and say he was great. He wasn’t bad. But we would have maintained if he had been better.
Posted by LSU Jax
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 11:28 am to
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i thought it was known knowledge that bernie was the only reason meyer came to florida.

Tell that to dumbass Frank Frangie in Jacksonville. Friend of Foley. Hell, he even said on the air Monday that Foley hired Spurrier!! Talk ahout revisionist history. I almost roasted him on twitter but just said frick it. Didn’t feel like messing with it.
Posted by bgator85
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 11:48 am to
Foley's legacy has been a bit tarnished, I still think most hold him in very high regard for everything that was accomplished while he was here. No one is going to be perfect.

As to the Meyer hiring, IMO the Machen-Meyer relationship is a bit overblown. They had a brief overlap at Utah before Machen came to UF. Did it hurt? Certainly not, but I still view it as a Foley hire.

Foley gets a lot of heat for the facilities, but a lot of that was out of his control. During the economic downturn, Machen was worried about the optics of athletic spending while the university was going through massive budget cuts so a number of caps and restrictions were instituted. We weren't able to capitalize on our recent championship success.
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 11:54 am to
Pretty piss poor. Zook and Muschamp were baffling hires. Giving Mac the extension in year 2 was dumb. And the 10 year freeze on facilities.
He technically gets credit for Urban, but we all know Machen sealed the deal (he'd just been president at Utah).
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 11:56 am to
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He is?

Pretty much, along with Castiglione at Oklahoma and Jurich at Louisville.
Posted by GaryGator
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Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 12:04 pm to
In his defense he was the Athletic Director, not a football director. In his job as Athletic director he excelled. Where he failed was acknowledging that football is the bell cow of the athletic department. He did nothing while the rest of the SEC built much better facilities. Also he hired Jim Mcelwain, for that there is no excuse.
Posted by Philippines4LSU
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 12:12 pm to
His legacy will be that his petty premenstrual temper is solely responsible for UF not hiring Mullen before their past two dumpster fire coaches. I mean, the day he retired the AD was on the phone with Mullen.

Foley is why UF sucks now and just lost to Kentucky for the first time in many posters' lifetime.
Posted by GatorsGators
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 12:13 pm to
He was a great AD. He elevated the entire AD to what it is now -- a well-rounded machine that competes with Stanford for overall, AD-wide titles.

But, yeah, most really only care about football and his last two football hires ruin his legacy with some. Muschamp was a good hire, imo, just didn't work out. Not sure what he saw in Mac.
Posted by WildcatMike
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 12:24 pm to
Thanks
Posted by UFMatt
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 12:44 pm to
Didn't read, heard it all before, but look at the record for overall UF athletics while he was the AD. This record was head and shoulders better than any other in the history of the SEC. He made what turned out to be a couple bad coaching hires in football, but he wasn't AD over just football. The UF athletic program won like 20 SEC All Sports Trophies, Finished in the top 10 Nationally every year. Won twice as many conference championship as any other program. Give it a rest, his legacy is untouchable.
Posted by samson73103
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 2:17 pm to
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Give it a rest, his legacy is untouchable.

Maybe so. But your football program still sucks!
Posted by LSU Jax
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 2:18 pm to
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Didn't read, heard it all before, but look at the record for overall UF athletics while he was the AD. This record was head and shoulders better than any other in the history of the SEC. He made what turned out to be a couple bad coaching hires in football, but he wasn't AD over just football. The UF athletic program won like 20 SEC All Sports Trophies, Finished in the top 10 Nationally every year. Won twice as many conference championship as any other program. Give it a rest, his legacy is untouchable.

You addressed a bunch of things that my question doesn’t even ask. I posed the question strictly with regard to UF football. He didn’t have “a couple” of bad football coach hires. He had three. He was 0 for 3 in football hires. You know damn good and well very few people give a rats arse about softball and gymnastics. Compared to football, few people even care about basketball and baseball. Well, the UF football program is a mess right now and it is nobody’s fault but his. I’d say that fact counts toward his legacy.
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