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Posted on 10/23/20 at 2:10 pm to PrisonMike
Posted on 10/23/20 at 2:10 pm to PrisonMike
Just seems like we rarely go after the best coach in the marketplace. I realize that’s only true until it’s not but I’ve got little faith that we’re getting anyone with a substantial track record of success.
We’ll form a committee to work with a consulting firm and way overthink the hire before pulling the trigger on a guy in the initial “other candidates” column of the paysite articles.
We’ll form a committee to work with a consulting firm and way overthink the hire before pulling the trigger on a guy in the initial “other candidates” column of the paysite articles.
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Posted on 10/23/20 at 6:14 pm to TheJones
Let's be real. Sark is NOT going to be Bama's next coach. Dabo may or may not leave Clemson (only he know's and everything else w/ him there at this point is just spectulation). Pruitt is falling on his face at the moment, so propably won't be him. Who does that leave? I can guarantee you that Mario Cristobal would be in that discussion, and MC at Bama would be scary! I can also guarantee you that Lane Kiffen's name would come up... and if you don't think LC at Bama would be a nightmare, then you don't know much about football.
With that being said, baggage and rumors aside concerning LC, if those aren't the two people that you go after FIRST in today's coaching world if we needed a coach, then you are crazy!
Both would recruit circles around what we have now. Players LOVE them, and they use schemes that actually work in today's world. Not only that,.. they both have the ability to adapt. Im all in for either one.
With that being said, baggage and rumors aside concerning LC, if those aren't the two people that you go after FIRST in today's coaching world if we needed a coach, then you are crazy!
Both would recruit circles around what we have now. Players LOVE them, and they use schemes that actually work in today's world. Not only that,.. they both have the ability to adapt. Im all in for either one.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 8:58 pm to WDE01
Are the PTB in BHAM ready to off the job to the winner of UAB/ULL? Bill Clark and Billy Napier seem to be two names that is mentioned all the time.
Posted on 10/24/20 at 12:13 am to AuSteeler
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Doesn't matter. don't want him.
He's a pain without all the winning. Everywhere he's gone UT, USC..he created issues with him personality.
I understand the trepidation. But it seems like his far past is blinding you to his near past.
I'm not one to opine for Kiffin. Although I do think he is a better X's and O's coach than just about anyone out there, I agree that his past is an obvious issue. But, with that being said, he went and coached with the gold standard for 3 years (where they wine three straight SEC titles and one national championship) and saw firsthand what it takes to run a top 5 program year in and year out. He took those lessonsand absolutely crushed folks in an inferior league.
With all that said, yes, Kiffin was to be immature at points of his career. Yes, he was in over his head in the NFL. Hell, we can all agree he probably got that job off of his dad's tenure in the league. I honestly don't put majority blame on Kiffin at UTk or USC. Both programs have proven to not be any better without him and both were near the top rated (well, maybe not USC, But Orgeron took advantage of the talent Kiffin had accumulated to grow that team after kiff left. They fired him too early IMO) teams under Kiffin than they were under any of the previous coach or the immediate predecessor.
Bottom line, he is better than what we have. Put Freeze's resume (mainly who he's coached for) and tell me he is better. Freeze was only good when he was blatantly cheating and the whole country took notice. That's the last thing Auburn needs.
This post was edited on 10/24/20 at 12:19 am
Posted on 10/24/20 at 6:07 am to IAmNERD
ABG
Posted on 10/24/20 at 6:23 am to IAmNERD
I hear why you’re saying, but Freeze wouldn’t have to cheat at a place like auburn.
Posted on 10/24/20 at 8:04 am to TheJones
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Just seems like we rarely go after the best coach in the marketplace. I realize that’s only true until it’s not but I’ve got little faith that we’re getting anyone with a substantial track record of success.
We’ll form a committee to work with a consulting firm and way overthink the hire before pulling the trigger on a guy in the initial “other candidates” column of the paysite articles.
TheJones nailed it.
Posted on 10/24/20 at 8:17 am to TheJones
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We’ll form a committee to work with a consulting firm and way overthink the hire before pulling the trigger on a guy in the initial “other candidates” column of the paysite articles.
Do you think this is because top-tier coaches don’t want to come into the dysfunction driven by our board or because they aren’t even offering them?
Posted on 10/24/20 at 8:26 am to lowspark12
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I hear why you’re saying, but Freeze wouldn’t have to cheat at a place like auburn
If Auburn hires Freeze to go along with Pearl, I will embrace Wolken and the NCAA living in our backyard. It’s bout time we become the Cam Fairley jimmies rustlers gang that we once were.
This post was edited on 10/24/20 at 8:32 am
Posted on 10/24/20 at 8:40 am to IAmNERD
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Freeze was only good when he was blatantly cheating
He has Liberty at 5-0 with Malik Willis. They beat Syracuse by 17 last week. I’m not necessarily a Freeze fan, but he’s a good coach, and an even better QB coach.
Posted on 10/24/20 at 9:36 am to TheJones
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Just seems like we rarely go after the best coach in the marketplace. I realize that’s only true until it’s not but I’ve got little faith that we’re getting anyone with a substantial track record of success.
We’ll form a committee to work with a consulting firm and way overthink the hire before pulling the trigger on a guy in the initial “other candidates” column of the paysite articles.
I believe this too for these additional reasons:
1. Although no one knows how long he will coach, the spectre of having to play Saban every year is a tough selling point.
2. Recruiting will be tough, now having to compete with such dominant programs of Alabama, GA, Clemson, and FLA in the southeast. If you can't go toe to toe in recruiting, then forget how good the coach WAS.
So, I also expect, even if we like and go after Cristobal, and others like him, these type coaches, will use our interest to simply get them a better fat deal with their current college.
So I agree, it will be a coach with 'potential', but has a good idea of what they want to bring our offense up to standards with these other top programs....
This post was edited on 10/24/20 at 9:37 am
Posted on 10/24/20 at 10:28 am to AuSteeler
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I believe this too for these additional reasons:
1. Although no one knows how long he will coach, the spectre of having to play Saban every year is a tough selling point.
2. Recruiting will be tough, now having to compete with such dominant programs of Alabama, GA, Clemson, and FLA in the southeast. If you can't go toe to toe in recruiting, then forget how good the coach WAS.
So, I also expect, even if we like and go after Cristobal, and others like him, these type coaches, will use our interest to simply get them a better fat deal with their current college.
So I agree, it will be a coach with 'potential', but has a good idea of what they want to bring our offense up to standards with these other top programs....
Your point is nonsensical because the "best of the best" by definition are obsessed with competing and proving themselves. Nick Saban is 70 and he's still out here working 100 hours a week or whatever in a high-pressure environment...why? He's already proven himself, so why not go home and chill? Because he's not wired like that.
What you are suggesting is that the best coaches in the country don't want to come here because that would imply having to work hard and competing against some of the best programs in the country. Uhmm...okay...give me your list of these A-list coaches who also happen to be giant pussies. Its a fallacy - because if these guys actually existed, then they wouldn't be A-list coaches in the first place. The only guy who I can realistically think of to fit into that category would be Chris Petersen - and I know even that one involved him not wanting to move because his son has/had some serious condition that required special treatment which he was already receiving at a nearby hospital.
The answer to the question is the obvious one: college athletics by definition is an avenue for ultra-rich individuals who want to live out a fantasy of "running" a sports team. So here's the issue: the more prestigious the coach, the more control they will naturally want over the program. The more control the coach has, the less control your rich boosters playing "owner" have. That is the trade-off that has to happen, which is why running a successful college team is a balancing act of finding a great coach who will also schmuck up to elite boosters who will want the coach to pull favors and make appearances like an underling. This isn't an unnatural phenomenon, as you'll see the same thing in pro sports with certain owners interjecting in decision making even though they have an entire front-office to make those decisions.
Auburn has a unique position because the program carries a long history of being a close knit "family-run" type program. That mantra carries over to decision making hence why the initial reaction is to target coaches who were former players, had coached here before (ie: "Bring Chizik home!" "Bring Gus home!") or had some sort of connection which made them "Auburn men". So not only is there a situation wherein people with power want to maintain power, but they also get off on maintaining this idea of a "special club" that they're allowing the coach to join. It has nothing to do with top candidates not wanting to come here because they're afraid to compete in the SEC.
Posted on 10/24/20 at 10:47 am to metafour
By the way, using the same "aww shucks, why would any top coach want to come here and compete against our rivals?" logic - explain to me why Nick Saban willingly left the Dolphins to take the Alabama job? The program had gone through a string of bad coaches which crushed the program and brought them down significantly. Lets take a look at the SEC when Nick Saban took the Alabama job: his instate rival (us) was bumping and was on a 5-game winning streak vs. Alabama. His replacement at divisional power LSU was maintaining the dominant program that he left behind, and they won the BCS title in his first season at Bama. Over in the East, Florida under Urban Meyer had won the BCS title literally the year before and was looking like a potential dynasty. Oh yeah, and Tennessee under Fulmer was still a dangerous opponent albeit the wheels would come off really quickly in Saban's second season at Bama.
So explain the logic. Yes, they paid him a ton of money to take that job...but if he was concerned about walking into an easy position it most certainly was NOT the Alabama job in 2007. He could have left the NFL for any number of "easier" NCAA jobs that didn't involve competing with LSU, Florida, and Auburn. He took the Alabama job because he understood that it was a sleeping giant, and it offered him the perfect opportunity to flex his competitive drive to prove himself by giving him an opportunity to completely rebuild a shell of a program...which is exactly what he did. Now, to get Saban to come, Alabama's people with money had to willingly step aside and accept less control over the program because they too had gone through a string of hires that were influenced by certain people with power not wanting to relinquish power. And it led to them hiring duds.
So explain the logic. Yes, they paid him a ton of money to take that job...but if he was concerned about walking into an easy position it most certainly was NOT the Alabama job in 2007. He could have left the NFL for any number of "easier" NCAA jobs that didn't involve competing with LSU, Florida, and Auburn. He took the Alabama job because he understood that it was a sleeping giant, and it offered him the perfect opportunity to flex his competitive drive to prove himself by giving him an opportunity to completely rebuild a shell of a program...which is exactly what he did. Now, to get Saban to come, Alabama's people with money had to willingly step aside and accept less control over the program because they too had gone through a string of hires that were influenced by certain people with power not wanting to relinquish power. And it led to them hiring duds.
Posted on 10/24/20 at 7:20 pm to metafour
James Franklin still a top choice for some you guys? Got beat by fricking Indiana. In no way am I saying Franklin isn’t a good coach but this is 2020 and honestly I can’t tell who will win and who won’t from week to week. OKie state also took it to Matt Campbell’s crew as well.
Just had to bump this since when we lose it all that’s discussed
Just had to bump this since when we lose it all that’s discussed
Posted on 10/25/20 at 8:11 pm to CorchJay
Anyone who thinks cristobal is a good coach is kidding themselves. He had a nfl superstar at qb and couldn’t win anything
Posted on 10/25/20 at 8:18 pm to blzr
I mean he had him for 2 seasons and went 12-2 the second season. I'm pretty sure that they had a ton of injuries at receiver as well. I'm not saying that Cristobal is the answer but I think clowning him over going 12-2 is a bit weak especially when you consider our head coaches best record is 12-2
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 8:21 pm to Skyler97
And he plays in the pac 12, and lost to our current coach with this awesome quarterback
Posted on 10/25/20 at 8:54 pm to blzr
Not sure who I’d be happy with but I’ll tell you who I don’t want:
1. Kiffin
2. Freeze
3. Petrino (I’m sure there are idiot AU fans who want him.
4. Sarkisan
5. Muschamp (there are posters on Bunker who like him as a HC).
Not sure where I land with Bill Clark and Venables. I’m warming up to Cristobal and Napier is intriguing. Mason could be an interesting candidate too. He’s had some bumps along the way, but coached under Shaw and I do like the way he runs the program at Vandy.
1. Kiffin
2. Freeze
3. Petrino (I’m sure there are idiot AU fans who want him.
4. Sarkisan
5. Muschamp (there are posters on Bunker who like him as a HC).
Not sure where I land with Bill Clark and Venables. I’m warming up to Cristobal and Napier is intriguing. Mason could be an interesting candidate too. He’s had some bumps along the way, but coached under Shaw and I do like the way he runs the program at Vandy.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 9:27 pm to AubieinNC2009
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Bill Clark and Billy Napier seem to be two names that is mentioned all the time.
Clark......no
Napier is intriguing. We won't be looking until after next season so..........
Posted on 10/25/20 at 9:28 pm to atlau
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I’m warming up to Cristobal and Napier is intriguing. Mason could be an interesting candidate too. He’s had some bumps along the way, but coached under Shaw and I do like the way he runs the program at Vandy.
oh my fricking god
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