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Posted on 10/25/20 at 9:56 pm to blzr
quote:Says the guy who was in favor of giving Gustav a raise and extension in 2017
Anyone who thinks cristobal is a good coach is kidding themselves. He had a nfl superstar at qb and couldn’t win anything
Posted on 10/25/20 at 10:24 pm to FearlessFreep
As long as it didn’t mean hiring cristobal 
that also doesn’t make any sense
that also doesn’t make any sense 
Posted on 10/26/20 at 5:50 am to Skyler97
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I'm not saying that Cristobal is the answer but I think clowning him over going 12-2 is a bit weak especially when you consider our head coaches best record is 12-2
Lets not compare what Christibol faced at Oregon to what Gus has faced at Auburn Coach. You are better than that man..
A lot of coaches could take Oregon to 12-2 in the Pac 12. Especially right now with some of the major teams out there down.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 6:07 am to LanierSpots
Not claiming much Oregon knowledge...
However if I remember correctly weren't the Oregon forums mesmerized by the size of SEC lines?
(And if so)
How couldn't big-time recruiting coach from (a power house in) the SEC have not shaken things up?
However if I remember correctly weren't the Oregon forums mesmerized by the size of SEC lines?
(And if so)
How couldn't big-time recruiting coach from (a power house in) the SEC have not shaken things up?
Posted on 10/26/20 at 8:59 am to LanierSpots
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Lets not compare what Christibol faced at Oregon to what Gus has faced at Auburn Coach. You are better than that man..
They beat the same Wisconsin team that beat Minnesota, who embarrassed us on national TV.
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A lot of coaches could take Oregon to 12-2 in the Pac 12. Especially right now with some of the major teams out there down.
Lol...okay. So we need to hire a proven winner at a major program, but the program needs to be kinda shitty so that we can know for sure that the guy wasn't just winning because of the program?
And I love how all of a sudden Oregon is what, like the Alabama of the West? Next thing you're going to say is that a lot of coaches could bring in the 3rd best recruiting class in the country at Oregon?
Posted on 10/26/20 at 9:20 am to metafour
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So explain the logic. Yes, they paid him a ton of money to take that job...but if he was concerned about walking into an easy position it most certainly was NOT the Alabama job in 2007. He could have left the NFL for any number of "easier" NCAA jobs that didn't involve competing with LSU, Florida, and Auburn. He took the Alabama job because he understood that it was a sleeping giant, and it offered him the perfect opportunity to flex his competitive drive to prove himself by giving him an opportunity to completely rebuild a shell of a program...which is exactly what he did. Now, to get Saban to come, Alabama's people with money had to willingly step aside and accept less control over the program because they too had gone through a string of hires that were influenced by certain people with power not wanting to relinquish power. And it led to them hiring duds.
You can't use Saban as that great example. Alabama was floundering. Saban had won already at LSU. He had a track record.
No one was dominating the SEC at this time. And those that did were in the East(FL and UT).
Saban has a strong personality and ego. He probably knew if Bear could recruit and dominate, he could do the same at Alabama.
And while you are 'stretching' my reasons for 'some' top coaches that would use Auburn as leverage, it has happened before. We thought we had Dooley at GA, when 'momma' called him him. HE used it to get more power at GA.
I am not sure, but I think Cristobal would do the same. Part of it is bc he knows going against the best division means beating Alabama, LSU, and GA in the East every year. He's not stupid.
But to calm you down a little, I'm not saying there arent coaches who think Auburn is not a great place to coach. But so far we have NOT gotten the best crop of coaches available to coach at Auburn. Look at our hires.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 10:17 am to AuSteeler
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No one was dominating the SEC at this time. And those that did were in the East(FL and UT).
You are arguing semantics. LSU under Les Miles was 11-2, 11-2 with absolute blowout wins in the Peach and Sugar Bowl in the two seasons prior to Saban taking the Bama job. They won the BCS title in Saban's first year at Bama. In 2006, one season prior to Saban taking the Bama job, the SEC West featured three teams that won 10+ games: LSU, Auburn, Arkansas. In the East, Florida was looking like a dominant program with Florida winning the 2006 BCS title. So picture that image: the #1 team in the country is SEC East Florida, and the SEC West features THREE 10-win teams. Thats what Saban was walking into.
No matter which way you want to cut it, there was no reason for Saban to WANT to come in and face that challenge when he easily could have taken any number of easier jobs all over the country. But he did, because like most elite-level coaches of that caliber, he's not scared of competition. Thats the entire point. You guys all routinely overestimate this entire idea that these coaches are out here looking for "easy wins" at schools where no one can challenge them. Most of these guys have ego's and think they're capable of beating everyone. Why else would Brett Bielema leave Wisconsin to come get his arse beat at Arkansas? Which of those is an easier job?
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I'm not saying there arent coaches who think Auburn is not a great place to coach. But so far we have NOT gotten the best crop of coaches available to coach at Auburn. Look at our hires.
But I explained that already: who we ultimately end up hiring and who we can actually hire are two entirely different things. Auburn makes "Auburn hires", but it has nothing to do with who does or doesn't want to coach here. Are you trying to tell me that 5-19 Gene Chizik at Iowa State was the "best" we could do in 2009? Obviously not; we could have made significantly "flashier" hires but that revolves around the people who fund our program letting go of their OWN ego's, which is the entire crux of this discussion. Gene Chizik never gets hired if he hadn't been the DC here, just like Gus Malzahn never gets hired if he hadn't won the title here in 2010. Both hires had absolutely nothing to do with getting the best candidate we could get; and thats the entire point: we operate this football program as if its a secret club and the gatekeepers pick and choose who gets to enter.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 10:43 am to metafour
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But I explained that already: who we ultimately end up hiring and who we can actually hire are two entirely different things. Auburn makes "Auburn hires", but it has nothing to do with who does or doesn't want to coach here. Are you trying to tell me that 5-19 Gene Chizik at Iowa State was the "best" we could do in 2009? Obviously not; we could have made significantly "flashier" hires but that revolves around the people who fund our program letting go of their OWN ego's, which is the entire crux of this discussion. Gene Chizik never gets hired if he hadn't been the DC here, just like Gus Malzahn never gets hired if he hadn't won the title here in 2010. Both hires had absolutely nothing to do with getting the best candidate we could get; and thats the entire point: we operate this football program as if its a secret club and the gatekeepers pick and choose who gets to enter.
I will agree on one thing..that has proven to be consistent theme 'at times', except Dye and Bowden and CTT did not fall into that category. They had zero Auburn ties.
And I do think they had others in mind when they hired Chizik, but either didn't want to pay that high or the coaches they really wanted turned us down.
The key will be...will Auburn use YOUR logic again? I say no. It will not be someone with Auburn ties, unless we go through the top coaches turning us down...and we 'settle' on a Auburn connected hire.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 10:44 am to metafour
AU hires whomever Jimmy Sexton tells us to hire.
I don’t understand why our administration consistently lets that guy bend us over every time we are either looking for a new HC or negotiating to keep another school from (allegedly) hiring ours.
ETA: I can almost guarantee that if common sense had prevailed and we hadn’t agreed to Sexton’s absolutely ludicrous contract demands for Gustav in 2017 that he would have ended up at Arky, and we would have hired Chad to replace him.
Guess who is Chad’s agent?
I don’t understand why our administration consistently lets that guy bend us over every time we are either looking for a new HC or negotiating to keep another school from (allegedly) hiring ours.
ETA: I can almost guarantee that if common sense had prevailed and we hadn’t agreed to Sexton’s absolutely ludicrous contract demands for Gustav in 2017 that he would have ended up at Arky, and we would have hired Chad to replace him.
Guess who is Chad’s agent?
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 10:47 am
Posted on 10/26/20 at 10:45 am to FearlessFreep
If he is willing to pay the buyout, why do you care? Every program has to gamble on a coach.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 10:55 am to AuSteeler
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I will agree on one thing..that has proven to be consistent theme 'at times', except Dye and Bowden and CTT did not fall into that category. They had zero Auburn ties.
And I do think they had others in mind when they hired Chizik, but either didn't want to pay that high or the coaches they really wanted turned us down.
The key will be...will Auburn use YOUR logic again? I say no. It will not be someone with Auburn ties, unless we go through the top coaches turning us down...and we 'settle' on a Auburn connected hire.
I never said that we only ever hire coaches that have ties to Auburn; I brought that in as PROOF that we are a school that trips over ourselves because we routinely introduce unique variables when it comes to hiring coaches.
And thats my entire point. Mario Cristobal is definitely interested in coaching here; but that requires the people who make that decision to step back themselves.
And I agree with you: the next coach will NOT be someone connected, because quite frankly, I don't think we can afford another clown-show hire.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 10:56 am to AUCE05
quote:You’re mistaking Jimmy Sexton (agent for the last four AU HC’s, plus almost every name connected with the job for the last 30 years) with Jimmy Rane (AU booster/BOT member).
If he is willing to pay the buyout, why do you care? Every program has to gamble on a coach.
Although your confusion is understandable.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 10:57 am to FearlessFreep
No I am not
Posted on 10/26/20 at 11:01 am to AUCE05
quote:Then why did you imply that Gustav’s agent would be paying his buyout?
No I am not
Posted on 10/26/20 at 11:03 am to FearlessFreep
Because you edited it and changed the name.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 12:21 pm to LanierSpots
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Lets not compare what Christibol faced at Oregon to what Gus has faced at Auburn Coach. You are better than that man..
A lot of coaches could take Oregon to 12-2 in the Pac 12. Especially right now with some of the major teams out there down.
I'm not saying its as impressive, I guess my point is just that he basically did as well as possible with Herbert besides win a Natty. I just don't think going 12-2 with Oregon is a reason not to hire him. I think his tenure at FIU is fair criticism though.
But like I said, I don't necessary think Cristoball is the answer
Posted on 10/26/20 at 12:32 pm to metafour
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They beat the same Wisconsin team that beat Minnesota, who embarrassed us on national TV.
So lets hire the Troy coach who beat LSU at home who we lost to. Sounds like he would be a candidate.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 12:32 pm to AUCE05
quote:No, I edited and added the part about us ending up with Chad if Gustav had gotten the Arky job.
Because you edited it and changed the name.
It was always about Sexton. That was my whole point.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 12:34 pm to FearlessFreep
Jonesy
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