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Posted on 10/22/20 at 3:11 pm to BuckFama334
Posted on 10/22/20 at 3:11 pm to BuckFama334
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To the Lane haters:
If he whips Gus on Saturday would it sway you to buy a ticket for the Lane Train?
Absolutely, unequivocally no. Until he sheds the "Joey Freshwater" persona, matures and demonstrates he can win consistently, I wouldn't touch him with a 10-foot pole.
This isn't a "family"-thing and that I think his morals aren't a fit for AU. This is, he has a schtick and honestly, Auburn is a better program than that. He's the kind of coach that's going to bring a turnover [insert item] and it reeks of a gimmicky approach (in b4 Gus' gimmicky offense).
As a program, I think we can do better.
ETA: As a program, I think we should TRY to do better and get the best available coach out there. Whether they come or not is a different questions.
This post was edited on 10/22/20 at 3:16 pm
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Posted on 10/22/20 at 3:33 pm to BuckFama334
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To the Lane haters:
If he whips Gus on Saturday would it sway you to buy a ticket for the Lane Train?
No.
Hire Cristobal. He build and develops. Can recruit with the big boys. Doesn't come with the baggage.
This post was edited on 10/22/20 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 10/22/20 at 4:15 pm to AU86
Wtf has Cristobal built or developed?
He is 48-54 as a HC.
He was okay at FIU, made a couple of bowl games.
He took over a 6-6 program at Oregon from Taggart, which he improved from 4-8.
He has done okay at Oregon so far, but that wasn't some talentless dumpster fire of a job. Hard to say that he built or developed anything.
I am curious to see how he fares this year after losing Herbert and most of that OL.
He is 48-54 as a HC.
He was okay at FIU, made a couple of bowl games.
He took over a 6-6 program at Oregon from Taggart, which he improved from 4-8.
He has done okay at Oregon so far, but that wasn't some talentless dumpster fire of a job. Hard to say that he built or developed anything.
I am curious to see how he fares this year after losing Herbert and most of that OL.
Posted on 10/22/20 at 4:19 pm to atlau
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Until he sheds the "Joey Freshwater" persona, matures and demonstrates he can win consistently, I wouldn't touch him with a 10-foot pole.
I don't think Lane has really openly embraced the Joey Freshwater thing. It is just a silly thing started on the internet.
What has he done that you label immature?
And I think that he has won at a pretty decent clip compared to the situations that he has been in with the exception of the Raiders.
He ain't winning an SEC title or Natty at Ole Miss. Nobody has and probably nobody will...
Posted on 10/22/20 at 4:57 pm to BuckFama334
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I don't think Lane has really openly embraced the Joey Freshwater thing. It is just a silly thing started on the internet.
What has he done that you label immature?
And I think that he has won at a pretty decent clip compared to the situations that he has been in with the exception of the Raiders.
He ain't winning an SEC title or Natty at Ole Miss. Nobody has and probably nobody will...
Doesn't matter. don't want him.
He's a pain without all the winning. Everywhere he's gone UT, USC..he created issues with him personality.
And he could have had great success at USC..and blew it.
Posted on 10/22/20 at 5:06 pm to BuckFama334
Auburn will not base their decision on a one game performance against Alabama. They have already played that game and been burned by Malzahn. Hope they have learned their lesson.
And to answer your question regarding Cristobal. He develops players. He can also recruit them.
And to answer your question regarding Cristobal. He develops players. He can also recruit them.
This post was edited on 10/22/20 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 10/22/20 at 6:49 pm to BuckFama334
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I don't think Lane has really openly embraced the Joey Freshwater thing. It is just a silly thing started on the internet.
Not a Lane hater, he can run an offense, but I’d be worried about him getting the program in trouble Freeze style.
If Gus was to get fired, I would think we’d go in the direction of a P5 head coach, rather than gamble on a coordinator.
Cristobal is intriguing, but I don’t know that he’s a clear $30-$35 million (whatever the Gus/staff buyout total is). That contract seems to have fricked us bad. I know he’s only owed half up front, but if we’re taking buses and cost saving, then it seems a coaching change would happen only when it’s absolutely necessary (2012).
Posted on 10/22/20 at 8:10 pm to BuckFama334
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I don't think Lane has really openly embraced the Joey Freshwater thing. It is just a silly thing started on the internet. What has he done that you label immature?
True, but even if he hasn’t, the media has and just don’t want that associated with Auburn.
He does spend a lot of time trolling people on Twitter. That’s where my comment about maturity comes from.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 9:38 am to atlau
Cristobol hadn’t proven anything that would make him an upgrade at AU at this point...
Posted on 10/23/20 at 9:43 am to Luke
quote:Speaking realistically, who out there that we could get has “proven” they would win consistently more than Gustav?
Cristobol hadn’t proven anything that would make him an upgrade at AU at this point...
Posted on 10/23/20 at 9:54 am to Luke
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Cristobol hadn’t proven anything that would make him an upgrade at AU at this point...
Other than being a notably better recruiter, having a notably better football pedigree, etc, etc?
He won the conference title in a Power 5 conference last season. I'd love to know what your definition of a "proven upgrade" is because our own HC was hired on the pretense of winning 9 games in his only season at Arkansas State with a team that had won 10 games the year prior under Freeze.
I'm pretty confident that Mario Cristobal is easily a better HC than Malzahn is. For the sheer fact alone that he's going to stack the roster with elite OL every single season, and an elite OL will drive any offense. There aren't very many proven coaches who are draws to elite OL talent, and he's one of them if not THE guy.
I think that some of you really underestimate how lackluster Malzahn is in terms of what he actually brings. I'll ask you a question: what things does Malzahn himself bring that he's certifiably "better at" than Cristobal? He is an offensive HC who is completely inept at developing and utilizing the two most pivotal positions on that side of the ball (QB and OL). He is an okay recruiter, but it seems like every year the majority of his top rated signees are transferring out or failing to live up to their recruiting ranking. He doesn't present any niche or opportunity that any recruit can't find elsewhere. Basically, save for a few fluke seasons, he is a HC who has relied on defense to win games...and he isn't involved on that side of the ball at all. He didn't even come out and hire the last two "stud" DC's who built that defense (Muschamp and Steele) because those two were in fact brought in by the people above him who have influence in the program.
Really, his only notable quality is his relative success against Saban. That is legitimately kinda impressive given how otherwise incompetent he is, but I'm kinda hard pressed to find anything else that matters other than that his program is generally clean.
This post was edited on 10/23/20 at 10:04 am
Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:01 am to metafour
Gene Chizik understood how important line play was.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:18 am to metafour
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He is an offensive HC who is completely inept at developing and utilizing the two most pivotal positions on that side of the ball (QB and OL).
Repeat this once more ....plesse.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:36 am to Luke
I'm not saying that Cristobal wouldn't be an upgrade from Malzahn, but that shouldn't be the bar we are aiming for. We want an A-player who doesn't have glaring weaknesses. I don't know why we wouldn't aim for the best. Cristobal (HC record) and Kiffin (immaturity, no defense) both have glaring weaknesses.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 11:18 am to PrisonMike
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I'm not saying that Cristobal wouldn't be an upgrade from Malzahn, but that shouldn't be the bar we are aiming for. We want an A-player who doesn't have glaring weaknesses. I don't know why we wouldn't aim for the best. Cristobal (HC record) and Kiffin (immaturity, no defense) both have glaring weaknesses.
You literally never responded to me the last time I broke down his "HC record" and what it actually meant.
He took over an 0-12 program that started playing football in the 2000's and achieved the program's first winning season...ever. What exactly is your expectation of a "good coach" in that situation that wouldn't tarnish his resume? To go from 0-12 to winning seasons immediately?
You kinda need to lay out what exactly your parameters are, because right now you are just coming off as obtuse.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 11:56 am to PrisonMike
Cristobal will be in the top three to replace Saban. That says alot. You aren't considered to be at that level/group if there aren't tremendous positives/upside. Dabo, Sarkisian and Cristobal.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 12:02 pm to metafour
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Other than being a notably better recruiter, having a notably better football pedigree, etc, etc?
He won the conference title in a Power 5 conference last season. I'd love to know what your definition of a "proven upgrade" is because our own HC was hired on the pretense of winning 9 games in his only season at Arkansas State with a team that had won 10 games the year prior under Freeze.
I'm pretty confident that Mario Cristobal is easily a better HC than Malzahn is. For the sheer fact alone that he's going to stack the roster with elite OL every single season, and an elite OL will drive any offense. There aren't very many proven coaches who are draws to elite OL talent, and he's one of them if not THE guy.
I think that some of you really underestimate how lackluster Malzahn is in terms of what he actually brings. I'll ask you a question: what things does Malzahn himself bring that he's certifiably "better at" than Cristobal? He is an offensive HC who is completely inept at developing and utilizing the two most pivotal positions on that side of the ball (QB and OL). He is an okay recruiter, but it seems like every year the majority of his top rated signees are transferring out or failing to live up to their recruiting ranking. He doesn't present any niche or opportunity that any recruit can't find elsewhere. Basically, save for a few fluke seasons, he is a HC who has relied on defense to win games...and he isn't involved on that side of the ball at all. He didn't even come out and hire the last two "stud" DC's who built that defense (Muschamp and Steele) because those two were in fact brought in by the people above him who have influence in the program.
Really, his only notable quality is his relative success against Saban. That is legitimately kinda impressive given how otherwise incompetent he is, but I'm kinda hard pressed to find anything else that matters other than that his program is generally clean.
100% truth.
There are some here that would rather have Hugh Feeze. Based on Auburns track record of hiring, I could see that happen.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 12:38 pm to PrisonMike
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I'm not saying that Cristobal wouldn't be an upgrade from Malzahn, but that shouldn't be the bar we are aiming for. We want an A-player who doesn't have glaring weaknesses. I don't know why we wouldn't aim for the best. Cristobal (HC record) and Kiffin (immaturity, no defense) both have glaring weaknesses.
A-player type HC? Who is on that list, that would want to look at the AUburn job? I don't see any...
Cristobal makes the most sense. If he is a very good recruiter, knows how to bring in top OL, and hires a top OC that wants to run an offense that QBs and WRs want to play in, with NFL sites in mind..then that's what I want.
No more gimmick offenses, Run heavy RPOs. BRing in a OC from the NFL that brings part of the newer NFL offensive schemes.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 12:41 pm to PrisonMike
quote:Cristobal's resume is far superior to any HC that has ever been hired at AU.
I'm not saying that Cristobal wouldn't be an upgrade from Malzahn, but that shouldn't be the bar we are aiming for. We want an A-player who doesn't have glaring weaknesses. I don't know why we wouldn't aim for the best.
Better than Tuberville.
Better than Dye.
Better than Jordan.
Better than Donahue.
Better than Heisman.
Not saying he's the right man for the job, but to say he's below the caliber of HC candidates we should consider is absolutely ludicrous.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 1:18 pm to metafour
quote:...ah, an educated man.
you are coming off as obtuse
Here is Cristobal’s HC record at FIU:
2006 = 0-12 (before Cristobal)
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2007 = 1-11
2008 = 5-7
2009 = 3-9
2010 = 7-6 (conference champion)
2011 = 8-5
2012 = 3-9 (fired after the season)
Is that impressive?
After his stint at Bama, he goes to the PAC-12 and is 9-4 in 2018 and 12-2 in 2019. Not shabby but I don’t see anything that tells me he’d be a good HC for the SEC. “But, but Bama…” Plenty people have been good coordinators that weren’t good head coaches. Again, I’m not an insider. There may be people that have worked with him that know his football IQ, tenacity, and panache and vouch that he’s the total package.
If that’s true, I’m sure the PTB will find that out in the interview process. But from down here where the plebes sit, there’s nothing that gets me excited.
I’m not saying you are wrong, metafour. It's just that I personally don’t have the data yet to be all-in on Cristobal.
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