re: OFFICIAL 2020 Head Coach Search thread

Also, Patterson most definitely had some background stuff which is what killed any possibility of him getting bigger offers even though he was available the whole time.

Some of these guys just don't interview well or have other personality warts that disqualify them regardless of their success on the field.

I think we passed on Patterson and it was on the basis that he didn't present any sort of vision for the program we found impressive (such was the narrative at the time).

But we didn't really pass on Kirby, did we? I thought the story was he had a high ask in terms of control and we couldn't live with it.

. . . where's he been offered?

Because if he thought it not prestigious enough then that's as alpha as it gets.

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. . . where's he been offered?

Because if he thought it not prestigious enough then that's as alpha as it gets.

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I don't know, my premise was on the previous page, where someone indicated he'd gotten big time interest but declined.

Obviously waiting for a big program to offer is reasonable, but I find it hard to believe it's taken this long for Venables without something else going on.

Could be. I mentioned Kirby as the possible rebuttal argument in these situations.

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Until the admins pin to the top...

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He could be waiting for the right job. Kriby waited for the right job and look at him now. We could have got him in 2013 but didnt want to let him coach the championship game.

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I mean, you'd have to stretch a lot of things to sell me on this. Kirby had to wait, but lets differentiate one major thing: he had to fight against the stigma that he was just a guy "running Saban's defense", as Saban himself is a DC by nature. Venables has 8 years as THE guy on his side of the football at a powerhouse program with the HC being an offensive-minded coach, and "the right job" still apparently hasn't come calling. This isn't some underheralded candidate that people don't know - if you've followed other coaching openings of the past 3-5 years, his name has popped up as a "fan suggested candidate" for basically every opening in the South East. Now - the question is do all of these AD's/administrators know something? Because I absolutely HAVE heard of a "bad" past with Venables, but whether or not that is real or exaggerated is to be determined, but it could be the real reason why he's apparently still "waiting for the right job".

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He's making a lot of money at a place that has become easy to recruit to. There's not much competition in the ACC. He doesn't have to deal with the shite that comes with being the head coach; he just has to help recruit and get ready for the next game. I'm guessing Dabo doesn't frick with him either.

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Right, so if he hasn't been actively looking to challenge himself, then that kinda works against him as that is a quality that is pretty vital for success in this conference. There also becomes a point wherein "waiting for the right job" kinda makes you look entitled. 99% of these coaches need to prove themselves and work their way up, including Nick Saban. Being the DC at Clemson doesn't qualify you to wait for an Alabama-caliber job opening. I mean if that's what he's doing then good on him I guess, but that seems like window dressing for what might more realistically be some other things going on behind the scenes. I myself don't buy the whole "oh I've been a celebrated DC at two premier programs for almost 20 years now, but I'm just waiting for the right time or opportunity to become a HC". Either this guy hasn't been very aggressive in positioning himself as a HC, or there is something there which has spooked these programs away.

I don't get it: so he's from Kansas and has coached exclusively in Kansas/Oklahoma/South Carolina...but he doesn't want to coach in this region? He's waiting for USC to come calling or something? Thats why he hasn't become a HC yet?

Or he may just not be a good HC candidate. You seem to be jumping through a lot of imaginary hoops to explain his position (he's happy to coach at Oklahoma/Clemson for 16 years, but he doesn't want to coach in the SEC, but he's also simultaneously holding out for another perfect job?). Is Clemson not just a pseudo-SEC school? "Auburn with a lake", remember?

If he's content with what he's doing at Clemson then his name shouldn't even come up here. This isn't the job where being "content" is good enough. Our current HC is "content" with just doing what he's been doing this whole time.