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Posted by AbSnopes
Birmingham
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Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:15 am to
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Kira Lewis who was really good at UA but can’t even get on the floor in the NBA.


Kira is out with a knee injury. He played regularly this year and last year with New Orleans. Know what you are talking about before you criticise a player.
Posted by Allthatfades
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:19 am to
Not upset about last night. Auburn is just a better team as hard as that is to admit. I think the effort and focus has been much better the last two games. If we get that fixed, I’ll feel ok about things. Hopefully beat Kentucky Saturday. Then come out and play hard and beat the teams we should beat the way we should beat them. Not that bs we saw against Georgia and Missouri
This team has defensive issues that will probably limit it’s ceiling this year. Sweet Sixteen would be a major accomplishment for this bunch.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 9:28 am
Posted by AbSnopes
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:20 am to
[quote]more about the frontcourt just not being worth a damn. Alabama is losing games because they have no defensive presence at the rim and get almost nothing on offense from anyone besides the guard/wing players.[/quote

Yep. Seeing Bediako on the court against Kessler says it all. Bediako has potential, but our inside game is as weak as I can remember, so opposing teams can concentrate on our guards. We need to hit the transfer portal for a good, experienced big man. I suspect Tchikou and Hilton will look for somewhere else where thy can play some.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:27 am to
I think one tweak to the system that Oats really needs to implement is the welcoming of the jump stop, short pull-up. We said this at times last year when teams were smothering us high and refusing to help and basically daring us to try and make 1-on-1 contested shots at the rim, but there is a real opening against certain styles and personnel for the 6-8 foot slam on the breaks pull up. And I'm guessing, if it was charted, that the PPP against a team like Auburn w/Kessler on the floor is just as high or higher on 7 footers than it is at the rim. We had multiple opportunities last night where we beat the guard at the top and had a wide open, no contest look from 8 feet. And we almost always stubbornly ran it into Kessler and tried to take an awkward shot or made a frantic pass out to the wing.

I don't want us to start taking iso-mid range jumpers or anything, but teams with certain personnel (which, I might add, is very rare) can put a great shot blocker underneath and basically overplay us on the wings knowing that the "risk" of getting beat off the dribble is negated because our only positive play at that point is trying to score over a great shotblocker with smaller guards.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 9:28 am
Posted by DT55Forever1
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:44 am to
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welcoming of the jump stop, short pull-up


His emphasis should be more on lane shots than rim shots. Right now, his top three are free throws, rim shots and 3pt shots. Especially with our guards bring shorter, they need to feel free to take that lane jump shot or floater.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:46 am to
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His emphasis should be more on lane shots than rim shots. Right now, his top three are free throws, rim shots and 3pt shots. Especially with our guards bring shorter, they need to feel free to take that lane jump shot or floater.


Especially because we have 2 guys are really creative around the rim and have pretty good touch. I have no doubt that Shack would be very good in the lane at using the glass, soft touch, one handed floater type stuff (he already does it some and effectively).

And you know, it may be something that is "ok" to do by the staff, we just don't do it very often because of the nature of the looks against most teams that don't have the best shot blocker in the country. So when you get in a game where you are playing that kind of team, it's hard to reprocess yourself.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 9:50 am
Posted by Alabama_Fan
The Road Less Traveled
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Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:18 am to
Haven’t watched and may not - but in case anyone is interested

Coach Oats’ post game press conference
Posted by crimsontater
Trenton GA
Member since Dec 2009
4025 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:19 am to
i seen guards trying to play defense on the ball handlers hip rather than in front of the ball. running beside a ball handler as he drives the lane is not a defensive position. it's a give up the lane drive easily position. no wonder bediako is overwhelmed, he gets crashed on by multiple players at once after his teammates give away position. bama scored 81 points last night, more than enough to win. if they only played defense. but then again, defense takes energy, effort and consistency.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:25 am to
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i seen guards trying to play defense on the ball handlers hip rather than in front of the ball. running beside a ball handler as he drives the lane is not a defensive position. it's a give up the lane drive easily position. no wonder bediako is overwhelmed, he gets crashed on by multiple players at once after his teammates give away position. bama scored 81 points last night, more than enough to win. if they only played defense. but then again, defense takes energy, effort and consistency.


Even with effort and energy defensively, we just don't have very talented defenders at guard. Shack has made himself into an acceptable defender over 4 years, but JD and JQ just can't guard anybody.
Posted by Warmth in Winter
Member since Jan 2022
876 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:36 am to
Defense is mainly effort. Anyone can guard if they want to. As explosive as those two are, they could guard if they really wanted to. Chris Paul is one of the best defenders at 6ft 1.

Herb Jones is where he is because of his defensive effort. The rest will come.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 10:38 am
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46345 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:38 am to
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Even with effort and energy defensively, we just don't have very talented defenders at guard. Shack has made himself into an acceptable defender over 4 years, but JD and JQ just can't guard anybody.


I honestly don't know what to make of JD at this point. Like, he's not an outright bust or anything, but how the hell was he considered a borderline top 10 overall prospect? And how did our coaches miss all of the enormous holes in his game and only recruit one guard from the portal as a contingency plan? I'm not even mad about it. I just don't really get it.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:39 am to
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Defense is mainly effort. Anyone can guard if they want to. As explosive as those two are, they could guard if they really wanted to. Chris Paul is one of the best defenders at 6ft 1.



Effort can mask a lot of things, but like everything else you have to be technically sound and have certain athletic traits to guard elite players. I think JQ was giving his max effort last night, but he's not quick footed enough to stay in front of a guy like Green even when he's giving max effort. But part of that is because he hasn't learned/worked/whatever on masking his inefficiencies with angles or other types of things that can compensate for physical deficiencies.

That is something that Shack has worked really hard on the last 2 seasons and because of it he's become a passable defender. He still gets beat some, but he isn't a black hole defensively. JQ just never got there, and if I had to guess I'd say that he never really had a burning desire to figure out how to get there.

JD is just a freshman who clearly never learned how to truly play man to man, on ball defense as a kid/high school player. He didn't play high level high school ball so it never manifested itself in him getting embarrassed, and while he played elite level summer ball those games are entirely offensive focused and non-team defense, so he was clearly able to mask it.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 10:41 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:43 am to
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I honestly don't know what to make of JD at this point. Like, he's not an outright bust or anything, but how the hell was he considered a borderline top 10 overall prospect? And how did our coaches miss all of the enormous holes in his game and only recruit one guard from the portal as a contingency plan? I'm not even mad about it. I just don't really get it.


I guess it happens, but he's clearly much, much more raw than a lot of people thought he was (and I'm guessing than our coaches thought, too).
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9414 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:47 am to
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Even with effort and energy defensively, we just don't have very talented defenders at guard. Shack has made himself into an acceptable defender over 4 years, but JD and JQ just can't guard anybody.


Yeah, the only way they keep a decent guard from getting exactly where he wants to go is overplaying to the point he has a completely open lane the other direction. JD adds to that by often being lost on where to go as far as help defense.

It's not really effort either unless you may want to say they're not practicing it enough.



On another note, I agree with the poster from the last page about Auburn having absolutely killed it in the transfer portal. You'd consider adding one or two helpful players as pretty good but 4 of their 5 most important players are transfers.


Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:53 am to
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On another note, I agree with the poster from the last page about Auburn having absolutely killed it in the transfer portal. You'd consider adding one or two helpful players as pretty good but 4 of their 5 most important players are transfers.



Yep - I mean they had a bit of a perfect storm with roster construction this year between bringing in the #1 pick, Kessler hitting the portal and already having a connection to Auburn and KD Johnson kind of similar.

Kessler and Jabari are what take them from a really good Top 15 team to the best team in the country. Guys like KD Johnson and Wendell Green are able to play wild and free because of what Kessler/Jabari do. Johnson is a perfect spurt player for them, but if he were in another situation (like he was at UGA), he'd be an out of control and inefficient player who would drive you absolutely nuts. Green would put up 30 and 10 assists one night and shoot 2/14 with 8 turnovers the next.

As Bruce said in his postgame interview on ESPN, they are so good because they are an excellent sum of their parts. They have 5-7 guys who are perfect fits for their role in his helter-skelter play loose and fast system.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 10:55 am
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46345 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:55 am to
quote:

Defense is mainly effort. Anyone can guard if they want to. As explosive as those two are, they could guard if they really wanted to. Chris Paul is one of the best defenders at 6ft 1.

Herb Jones is where he is because of his defensive effort. The rest will come


Herb is where he's at because of his 7 foot wingspan, lateral agility, and almost clairvoyant ability to anticipate where the ball is going. The fact that he is a hard worker just enhances those natural gifts. Defense is about so much more than effort. If you don't have length, lateral agility, strong hands, anticipation, etc. then hard work will make you, at best, a mediocre defensive player.
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30377 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:04 am to
Looking at next years roster we could have up to 4 spots open to fill through the portal…what do y’all think our biggest needs are?

Mine:

1. A 5 that can shoot

2. An Experienced PG to go with Bradley(and maybe JD)

3. Reliable Shooters
Posted by TheNameIsDalton
Huntsville
Member since Mar 2021
1541 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:07 am to
I hate referencing football in the basketball thread but I'm feeling about the same way now as I did with the football team in November. They've shown flashes of being great but the team can't play consistently well as a whole. Hopefully, this means they can make a run in postseason play but this rollercoaster of a season is wearing on me a bit. This is still a team that should get through the first weekend of the tournament, which is exactly where last season ended. I'll take that and gush over our incoming class all off-season.

Not mad or anything about losing to a top team on the road, just hate that stretch run after cutting it to a 2 point deficit. Floodgates opened up after that run and they got blown out.

Posted by DLev45
Member since Aug 2018
732 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:13 am to
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I honestly don't know what to make of JD at this point. Like, he's not an outright bust or anything, but how the hell was he considered a borderline top 10 overall prospect? And how did our coaches miss all of the enormous holes in his game and only recruit one guard from the portal as a contingency plan? I'm not even mad about it. I just don't really get it.



I still think the problem with Davison offensively is that he is WAY too deferential to JQ, Shack, and Ellis, our veteran guards.

Our best games this season are Miami, Gonzaga, Houston, and Baylor.

In Those 4 Games - Davison's Averages:
Minutes: 27
Points: 14.3
FGA: 7.8
FG%: 67.7%
3PA: 3.0
3P%: 58.3%
Rebounds: 6
Assists: 5

In The Other 18 Games - Davison's Averages:
Minutes: 24.1
Points: 6.8
FGA: 5.6
FG%: 41.0%
3PA: 2.4
3P%: 20.9%
Rebounds: 3.8
Assists: 3.9

Splits:
Minutes: -2.9
Points: -7.5
FGA: -2.3
FG%: -26.7%
3PA: -0.6
3P%: -37.4%
Rebounds: -2.2
Assists: -1.1

In sum, in our best 4 games of the season, Davison has been far more assertive in looking for his own shots on offense.

Its like you can tell when he is playing loose versus clammed up and desperately trying to get the ball to someone else.




This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 11:24 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:14 am to
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Looking at next years roster we could have up to 4 spots open to fill through the portal…what do y’all think our biggest needs are?



- An experienced PG

- An offensive off-guard

- An enforcer big


I think we'll be much better defensively next year based on what we know about the skill level and length of the incoming freshmen along with Burnett and a more season Bediako, Miles and maybe even Holt.

I think some bench firepower will probably be needed.
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