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re: Staff point of view
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:58 pm to CrimsonBoz
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:58 pm to CrimsonBoz
Boz, what is the problem with the OL development. I just don’t buy into “the Cristobal hasn’t been coached out of them yet. And yes, the next game I win will be my first, but I am just at a loss today trying to reach understand how we just threw up on ourself in the biggest game of the year.
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:31 pm to CrimsonCrusade
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Florida State (6 losses) Beat them while they still had their QB
Fresno State (3 losses) Top 25 team in the latest poll
Colorado State (5 losses) Not a bad team, took Boise State to OT
Vanderbilt (7 losses)
Ole Miss (6 losses) Destroyed them
Texas A&M (5 losses) Not a bad road win
Arkansas (8 losses)
Tennessee (8 losses)
LSU (3 losses) Better than you're acting like they are
Mississippi State (4 losses) Road win vs top 25 team
Mercer (6 losses/FCS) Blah, I hate these games
Let's compare to Ohio State:
Indiana (5-7)
Oklahoma 10-2 (Lost to them 31-16 at home)
Army (8-3)
UNLV (5-7)
Rutgers (4-8)
Maryland (4-8)
Nebraska (4-8)
Penn State (10-2)
Iowa (7-5) (Lost 55-24)
Michigan State (9-3)
Illinois (2-10)
Michigan (8-4)
So I count 6 bowl-eligible teams on their schedule, with 15 and 31-pt losses to two of them, compared to 8 bowl eligible teams on our schedule (if you counted Ole Miss) with a 12-pt loss on the road to the best team we played...
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:43 am to Goombaw
I love Jalen but he is along with the game plan the problem. Running a mostly pro style offense with a guy that can't read a defense or make the throws if he could.O line hasnt looked great but they've also seen a stacked box most of the time.
I hate it for him bc hes by all accounts a great kid but the staff needs to figure out a direction.Maybe a frosh Qb wasnt the answer in 17 who knows. Right now we have a perfect mix for nothing being effective and its not going to change until either the game plan or QB change.
I hate it for him bc hes by all accounts a great kid but the staff needs to figure out a direction.Maybe a frosh Qb wasnt the answer in 17 who knows. Right now we have a perfect mix for nothing being effective and its not going to change until either the game plan or QB change.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 2:46 am to JBearden
We still have one foot in a traditional offense and 1 foot into a dual threat QBs offense.
Offense is at a fork in the road and will not put up consistent points or become a headache for opposing teams until we figure out which route to take.
Offense is at a fork in the road and will not put up consistent points or become a headache for opposing teams until we figure out which route to take.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 2:46 am
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:57 am to Funky Tide 8
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We should've easily gotten a first down with Bo on that series, but Bo couldn't get one EASY yard.
Bo was brought down by a great open field tackle by the Auburn defender. Sometimes the other guy just makes a play. For whatever reason this Bama team peaked 6 weeks ago. Had they played Auburn earlier in the year Bama likely wins but the Barners are simply peaking when it matters most. shite happens. Bama is 11-1, losing only to the team who, at the moment, is playing better than anyone in the country. We, as a fan base, have been spoiled by the unprecedented level of success we’ve enjoyed from 2008-present.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:13 pm to samson73103
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Bo was brought down by a great open field tackle by the Auburn defender. Sometimes the other guy just makes a play.
I think that he should've gotten that one yard, but to each his own.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:15 pm to TomRollTideRitter
you are right Mr Ritter. Plus, I think I heard Auburn had 4 seniors on their O line. And Auburn has recruited very well every year.. They just didn't lose a bunch of Jrs to the draft last year. The difference was at quarterback. Their QB made great strives from early in the year. Jalen might have improved a little, but not nearly as much as the barns QB progressed. Jalen still has this instinct (high school) to back up out of the pocket and take off running to the right. The only times he stepped up into the pocket was our next to last possession, and both times he found a seam, saw wide open receivers, and missed on the passes (badly).
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:18 pm to JBearden
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I love Jalen but he is along with the game plan the problem. Running a mostly pro style offense with a guy that can't read a defense or make the throws if he could.O line hasnt looked great but they've also seen a stacked box most of the time.
I hate it for him bc hes by all accounts a great kid but the staff needs to figure out a direction.Maybe a frosh Qb wasnt the answer in 17 who knows. Right now we have a perfect mix for nothing being effective and its not going to change until either the game plan or QB change.
One of the best perspectives I've seen in the melt. We are game planning around a player who can't execute it.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:22 pm to KareemAbdul
Right so why do they keep running it ? Go to RPO if he stays in.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:22 pm to samson73103
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Bo was brought down by a great open field tackle by the Auburn defender
Watch the replay. It wasn’t that great of a tackle. Bo has had issues all year getting yards after contact.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:28 pm to FairhopeTider
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Watch the replay. It wasn’t that great of a tackle. Bo has had issues all year getting yards after contact.
Watched it live. It was a good tackle. You seem pitiful pointing at one play for a reason why we lost by more than one score.
Hating Bo all season is a mark of a terrible fan. You can say Damien is better, I agree, but he has still done well for us.
Where is your beef with Foster not running deep enough of a route? Jalen having 100 passing yards before the last play of the game? The missed tackles on defense?
Oh right. Bo is the reason we lost.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:33 pm to KareemAbdul
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Oh right. Bo is the reason we lost.
I never once said that so pipe down. I’ve given Jalen, Daboll, Pruitt and others a lot more hell than Bo.
Bo was in space with one defender who didn’t even get a hand on him. I’m not hating on Bo when I say it wasn’t a great tackle and that Harris or Jacobs could’ve given us a better chance at making that first down.
I never said the game hinges on that play and I haven’t been this big Bo hater all year so I don’t know where you’re getting that from. Take the “you’re a terrible fan” crap elsewhere. He’s been underwhelming and we have better options.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:39 pm to FairhopeTider
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I never once said that so pipe down. I’ve given Jalen, Daboll, Pruitt and others a lot more hell than Bo.
Bo was in space with one defender who didn’t even get a hand on him. I’m not hating on Bo when I say it wasn’t a great tackle and that Harris or Jacobs could’ve given us a better chance at making that first down.
I never said the game hinges on that play and I haven’t been this big Bo hater all year so I don’t know where you’re getting that from. Take the “you’re a terrible fan” crap elsewhere.
Bo has gotten more hate this year than any player on our team. We are argue about the merits of the tackle, but it was so small in the grand scheme of things. I thought it was a good tackle. If Bo just stopped he would have dove past him, but Bo isn't a stop and go runner. The bigger concern is why Bo was the back on that play when I think Damien or Jacobs would be better.
I apologize if I came too strongly, but it really a small play to argue about. Bo is like 25th in line to share blame for that game. That's my issue with this discussion.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:41 pm to KareemAbdul
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Bo has gotten more hate this year than any player on our team.
I'm pretty sure I can think of one that's gotten more.
As to the play in question, sometimes the other team makes plays. This was one of those times.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:45 pm to JustGetItRight
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Bo has gotten more hate this year than any player on our team.
I'm pretty sure I can think of one that's gotten more.
As to the play in question, sometimes the other team makes plays. This was one of those times.
The thing with Jalen is he has gotten just as many faithful followers who are quick to banish any critic. It wasn't until Auburn that the ratio started to favor Jalen critics imo. Bo doesn't have that. Every game it's all negative. He had a great ending of the season last year. Damien has been better this year. I'm glad we have both.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:46 pm to KareemAbdul
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Bo is like 25th in line to share blame for that game
I totally agree.
I think our biggest issue right now is behind center.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:50 pm to FairhopeTider
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I totally agree.
I think our biggest issue right now is behind center.
The only reason why I struggle with that logic is the staff wants Jalen to be the star on offense this year. I find it hard to believe Saban sees the Jalen we see and still wants him to get so many plays called in his direction. I say that as a Jalen critic all season. Saban has to believe he gives us our best chance to win. We have thrived on offenses with "game manager" QBs for years so it isn't like the lack of a dangerous QB should scare him.
Idk
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:52 pm to KareemAbdul
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He had a great ending of the season last year. Damien has been better this year. I'm glad we have both.
All our backs have done well.
In the Auburn game, Alabama running backs averaged 6.8 yards a carry and yet only got 18 carries.
Why that happened is really the question we should be asking.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:03 pm to JustGetItRight
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All our backs have done well.
In the Auburn game, Alabama running backs averaged 6.8 yards a carry and yet only got 18 carries.
Why that happened is really the question we should be asking
I agree. We have great depth there. Everyone can be fresh.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:08 pm to KareemAbdul
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The only reason why I struggle with that logic is the staff wants Jalen to be the star on offense this year. I find it hard to believe Saban sees the Jalen we see and still wants him to get so many plays called in his direction. I say that as a Jalen critic all season. Saban has to believe he gives us our best chance to win. We have thrived on offenses with "game manager" QBs for years so it isn't like the lack of a dangerous QB should scare him.
Idk
Maybe right now, Jalen is our best option at QB. Tua could have all the talent in the world but just not ready to take over. Honestly, Jalen really hasn’t been a huge liability until last weekend. He hasn’t thrown INTs and he’s pulled us out of the fire a few times. It’s hard to pull a starter with Jalen’s record for a true freshman. That just doesn’t happen.
My opinion is that we have a large sample size for Jalen now and while the record is impressive, it’s clear he has big time limitations that are holding our offense back. As someone else said earlier, our performance against defenses with a pulse is “pedestrian at best.” That’s because we have almost no passing game. Whatever value he brings with his legs is negated by his inefficiencies in the passing game. If we want to be a championship team going forward, he either has to become a much better passer or we have to go in another direction.
I have a coffee mug with Jalen’s picture on it that I drink from every Saturday morning. I swoon when he does the finger gun move after a TD. I want Hurts to be our QB, but I see a QB behind him that potentially possesses the skills to be an incredible QB. If Hurts continues to remain stagnant, then I have no problem with putting Tua out there.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 1:38 pm
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