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re: Staff point of view
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:36 pm to phil4bama
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:36 pm to phil4bama
We're all frustrated, not only that we lost but to who we lost and how we looked when we lost.
We've all sang Jalen's praises and dog cussed him.
I think the problem boils down to three things.
1) This was the most poorly prepared team during Saban's era at Bama. The players just looked lost all night. They were manhandled and looked like they could care less. This falls DIRECTLY on the coaching staff. Also, the offensive game plan was pathetic.
2) Our OL has been suspect for a couple of years now, it not longer. The difference is we don't have an elite back like Henry, Richardson, or Lacy to bail them out. Harris is very good and the other guys show great potential but they are not on the level of the previously mentioned guys. Also, I fricking hate this running back by committee bullshite. Pick two main backs and a change of gear third down back and use the other guys when you need them.
3) For several years now we just simply cannot stop anyone on 3rd down. I know we had a shite ton of injuries but many of of the mistakes were out of position, sloppy tackling, or just simply getting beat. I can't figure it out but this is a HUGE issue and has been for several years. Get teams consistently in 3rd and 7+ and give up 12 on 3rd down.
And lastly, no one is intimidated by Bama anymore. The whole "make his arse quit" mantra is a long gone ghost of the past.
We've all sang Jalen's praises and dog cussed him.
I think the problem boils down to three things.
1) This was the most poorly prepared team during Saban's era at Bama. The players just looked lost all night. They were manhandled and looked like they could care less. This falls DIRECTLY on the coaching staff. Also, the offensive game plan was pathetic.
2) Our OL has been suspect for a couple of years now, it not longer. The difference is we don't have an elite back like Henry, Richardson, or Lacy to bail them out. Harris is very good and the other guys show great potential but they are not on the level of the previously mentioned guys. Also, I fricking hate this running back by committee bullshite. Pick two main backs and a change of gear third down back and use the other guys when you need them.
3) For several years now we just simply cannot stop anyone on 3rd down. I know we had a shite ton of injuries but many of of the mistakes were out of position, sloppy tackling, or just simply getting beat. I can't figure it out but this is a HUGE issue and has been for several years. Get teams consistently in 3rd and 7+ and give up 12 on 3rd down.
And lastly, no one is intimidated by Bama anymore. The whole "make his arse quit" mantra is a long gone ghost of the past.
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:39 pm to bamarep
Saban just turned 66. Thats not old. I'm 74 and probably in better shape than 3/4 of the guys on here. I take care of myself and so does Saban. He's not perfect and makes mistakes like everyone else. But damn fellows, get your head out of the toilet.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 6:20 am to bamarep
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2) Our OL has been suspect for a couple of years now, it not longer. The difference is we don't have an elite back like Henry, Richardson, or Lacy to bail them out.
Yet we're averaging 6 ypc which is the best of the saban era. Weird.
The complaints about the offensive line are overblown. A QB who can't get rid of the ball on time makes them look worse than they are. And, as far as run-blocking, I don't know why anyone is complaining.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 7:24 am to Teague
Right, he just hooooolllllds onto the ball. His decision making has not sped up and after two full years, it likely wont.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 7:40 am to Teague
Because it doesn’t pass the eye test. We have recruited 4 and 5 star players at every position on the line and it doesn’t show. We play guys out of position and make them learn multiple positions in an effort to keep “the best five” on the field all the time. bullshite. In this era of specialization let them specialize. There are nuances to every position on the line that they need to practice. If a man goes down, next man up, don’t shuffle the deck. And the scheme is very suspect when 4 can beat 5 consistently on pass plays.
It also concerns me that we’ve had several OL drafted at various positions and most have been busts. We aren’t developing the talent we bring in. We have road graders up there, why can’t we grade the road against all but the best DLs. They practice against one of the best DLs every day.
We need a change in philosophy on the OL. Making their arse quit was working pretty well until we quit doing it. It was argued on this very board that when we changed offenses to spread, we would lose physicality and become more finesse. Don’t look now, but it has happened.
It also concerns me that we’ve had several OL drafted at various positions and most have been busts. We aren’t developing the talent we bring in. We have road graders up there, why can’t we grade the road against all but the best DLs. They practice against one of the best DLs every day.
We need a change in philosophy on the OL. Making their arse quit was working pretty well until we quit doing it. It was argued on this very board that when we changed offenses to spread, we would lose physicality and become more finesse. Don’t look now, but it has happened.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 7:54 am to phil4bama
yeah. I don't really like this offense, and am not sold on Daboll, though I do think Tagovailoa will make him look better. Stidham beat us pretty good in a balanced offense, and yes, I do realized I've talked about balanced offense for over a year now, but I still hope we get back to it.
edit: and as always, balanced offense to me includes intermediate and downfield throws, and not just the long handoffs and short stuff that we lived on last year.
edit: and as always, balanced offense to me includes intermediate and downfield throws, and not just the long handoffs and short stuff that we lived on last year.
This post was edited on 11/29/17 at 7:59 am
Posted on 11/29/17 at 8:08 am to phil4bama
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Because it doesn’t pass the eye test. We have recruited 4 and 5 star players at every position on the line and it doesn’t show. We play guys out of position and make them learn multiple positions in an effort to keep “the best five” on the field all the time. bullshite. In this era of specialization let them specialize. There are nuances to every position on the line that they need to practice. If a man goes down, next man up, don’t shuffle the deck. And the scheme is very suspect when 4 can beat 5 consistently on pass plays. It also concerns me that we’ve had several OL drafted at various positions and most have been busts. We aren’t developing the talent we bring in. We have road graders up there, why can’t we grade the road against all but the best DLs. They practice against one of the best DLs every day. We need a change in philosophy on the OL. Making their arse quit was working pretty well until we quit doing it. It was argued on this very board that when we changed offenses to spread, we would lose physicality and become more finesse. Don’t look now, but it has happened.
Again, you're talking about "eye test" but ignoring actual results. Here are some stats I posted in another thread.
This line has given up 3.75 tackles for loss per game, which is the best of this time period. The previous 9 year average (since 2008) was 5.19.
This line has given up 1.83 sacks per game. Bama averaged 1.60 over the last 9 years. So, pretty much our average. You'll say it's because Hurts escaped. I'll counter and say he holds the ball too long and offsets that.
The run game is averaging 6ypc, which is the best of Saban's tenure also.
I don't think this is our greatest offensive line ever, but they're also not bad. I think the offensive line would look pretty damn good, if we ran the ball with the RB's, and had an efficient passing game.
This post was edited on 11/29/17 at 8:10 am
Posted on 11/29/17 at 8:12 am to Teague
yep
Posted on 11/29/17 at 8:12 am to Teague
I agree with you on run blocking Teague. Pass blocking has been the problem this year against d lines with nfl talent.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 8:14 am to Funky Tide 8
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Pass blocking has been the problem this year against d lines with nfl talent.
I'm with Teague, River City Tider, The Commander, and those others who think that the primary problem isn't the line, but with Hurts not being able to pull the trigger.
I'm sure it's a surprise that I agree with them.
This post was edited on 11/29/17 at 8:15 am
Posted on 11/29/17 at 8:17 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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I'm with Teague, River City Tider, The Commander, and those others who think that the primary problem isn't the line, but with Hurts not being able to pull the trigger.
Ya don't say?
Pass blocking was awful in the FSU, and LSU games, not sure how one can argue against that. Go back and watch those games.
They were better in the IB, but still left much to be desired, considering they were only rushing four, maybe five most of the game.
This post was edited on 11/29/17 at 8:21 am
Posted on 11/29/17 at 8:18 am to Funky Tide 8
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Pass blocking has been the problem this year
I definitely agree that has been their weaker area, but I don't think they're much different than every other line we've had. I remember complaints about the pass blocking every year. And, the fact that teams don't fear our passing attack makes them look worse. Our QB doesn't anticipate plays and ends up holding the ball. No line is going to consistently block for 5 seconds.
Is the O-line perfect? No. But, I really don't think they'd be considered a weakness if the rest of our passing game was better.
This post was edited on 11/29/17 at 8:19 am
Posted on 11/29/17 at 8:32 am to Teague
Theres no doubt Jalen skews the OL stats on several ways but my beef in a nutshell is a) pass blocking sucks in both scheme and technique. We get collapsed too much and can’t pick up a blitz to save our lives. The difference in us blitzing and us facing a blitz is just night and day.
B) Gone are the days when we win short yardage battles. Used to be on 3rd and 2, we were running behind Mike Johnson and Andre Smith and you knew it and I knew it and the defense knew it and we didn’t give a frick that everyone knew it, we were getting it anyway. Some of it is the defense not respecting the possibility of play action but some of it is we just aren’t mean enough anymore.
B) Gone are the days when we win short yardage battles. Used to be on 3rd and 2, we were running behind Mike Johnson and Andre Smith and you knew it and I knew it and the defense knew it and we didn’t give a frick that everyone knew it, we were getting it anyway. Some of it is the defense not respecting the possibility of play action but some of it is we just aren’t mean enough anymore.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 9:07 am to phil4bama
I don't really disagree with what you're saying. I guess I just think it has more to do with this type of offense (and poor passing) rather than the actual line play. Either way, I think we'd both like to see the same thing.
This post was edited on 11/29/17 at 9:08 am
Posted on 11/29/17 at 9:15 am to Teague
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Yet we're averaging 6 ypc which is the best of the saban era. Weird.
Against FSU and LSU they didn’t. And if you take out Harris’s biggest run against A&M and MSU it isn’t as high. Alabama was able to run all over the likes of Ole Miss and Vandy but they were inconsistent compared to better teams.
Yeah some of the QB pressures were Hurts’ fault but there were times in those games in which he had less than 2 seconds to throw. Also being a dual threat he’s escaped a couple of would be sacks.
This post was edited on 11/29/17 at 9:17 am
Posted on 11/29/17 at 9:18 am to 1BamaRTR
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Against FSU and LSU they didn’t. And if you take out Harris’s biggest run against A&M and MSU it isn’t as high. Alabama was able to run all over the likes of Ole Miss and Vandy but they were inconsistent compared to better teams.
That's how stats work. The big runs and poor defenses count this year, and every other year that was in those averages I mentioned.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 9:21 am to Teague
My point is they’re not consistent at all. Even more inconsistent than in years past.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 9:31 am to 1BamaRTR
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My point is they’re not consistent at all. Even more inconsistent than in years past.
We're leading the SEC in most rushing categories. I understand your frustration with the offense recently, but how inconsistent can we really be if we're leading the SEC? I think sometimes we get frustrated, and start focusing on things. When we focus on them, we see more mistakes. That's why the losers always find more missed calls.
SEC Rushing Numbers
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:15 am to bamarep
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For several years now we just simply cannot stop anyone on 3rd down. I know we had a shite ton of injuries but many of of the mistakes were out of position, sloppy tackling, or just simply getting beat.
I'm far from an expert, but it has looked to me that teams have picked on our 2 safeties a lot when it comes time to pick up a key 3rd down. I love how Ronnie plays in run support, but in coverage, he and TB haven't been what I expect from Saban DBs.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:18 am to ArabianKnight
Brown has been a huge disappointment.
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