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Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:51 am
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:51 am
Perspective of a good friend of mine. Blow it off if you want but if you don't believe I know some people I can't help you.
"There is a massive OL development issue in the UA program. AU just beat their arse with a walk on at C and only one guy on paper (Smith) that was wanted at UA.
Jonah Williams has gone backwards.
Bottom line is UA has gone backwards on both sides of the LOS.
The offensive game plan in the 1st half was a fricking embarrassment. Zero creativity or trying to take what they were giving.
Of course some will try and place this loss on Hurts thinking that Tua would have made a difference. He would have but it would have been with pick 6s under that pressure.
That is the reason you have not seen Tua in tight games. When given the chance in practice he makes game changing mistakes. Go figure he is a TRF.
Saban got out coached by a lessor coach who is/was fighting for his job. The players got beat by a team that was/is on paper not as talented as they are. I never saw one player during the game that it looked like it bothered them that they were getting pushed around.
Ask yourself this......On the OL can you name one player that is better now than when they entered the program?
Saban has done a great job of processing LSU and UT but for whatever reason he can't keep his foot on AUs throat. Losing recruits to them as I type this.
Is you don't believe me about the LOS going backwards just look at the post season games since 2012. OU, OSU and Clemson were all just as good or better.
I didn't think Nick could do a worse job than what he did in the 2013 IB, but he did yesterday. It's time for him to realize he isn't the bully anymore. In fact he got bullied yesterday."
"There is a massive OL development issue in the UA program. AU just beat their arse with a walk on at C and only one guy on paper (Smith) that was wanted at UA.
Jonah Williams has gone backwards.
Bottom line is UA has gone backwards on both sides of the LOS.
The offensive game plan in the 1st half was a fricking embarrassment. Zero creativity or trying to take what they were giving.
Of course some will try and place this loss on Hurts thinking that Tua would have made a difference. He would have but it would have been with pick 6s under that pressure.
That is the reason you have not seen Tua in tight games. When given the chance in practice he makes game changing mistakes. Go figure he is a TRF.
Saban got out coached by a lessor coach who is/was fighting for his job. The players got beat by a team that was/is on paper not as talented as they are. I never saw one player during the game that it looked like it bothered them that they were getting pushed around.
Ask yourself this......On the OL can you name one player that is better now than when they entered the program?
Saban has done a great job of processing LSU and UT but for whatever reason he can't keep his foot on AUs throat. Losing recruits to them as I type this.
Is you don't believe me about the LOS going backwards just look at the post season games since 2012. OU, OSU and Clemson were all just as good or better.
I didn't think Nick could do a worse job than what he did in the 2013 IB, but he did yesterday. It's time for him to realize he isn't the bully anymore. In fact he got bullied yesterday."
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:58 am to CrimsonBoz
This Bama team has no vocal leadership or offensive identity.
Saban needs to get control of this situation ASAP.
Saban needs to get control of this situation ASAP.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:59 am to CrimsonBoz
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There is a massive OL development issue in the UA program
This is a national issue that people have been talking about. O-Linemen don't seem as good as they once were, though it may just be because DL and LBs are getting faster and faster.
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Bottom line is UA has gone backwards on both sides of the LOS.
Ehhh we lost a lot from our amazing front 7s the past few years, plus we've had injuries at LB all season. Even the guys we got back couldn't have been 100%.
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Of course some will try and place this loss on Hurts thinking that Tua would have made a difference. He would have but it would have been with pick 6s under that pressure.
I don't agree at all. There was't really a lot of pressure, I was paying close attention up front and Jalen was just panicking and scrambling way too early, thus creating the illusion of pressure. For someone we've all slobbed all over for being cool and collected, he seemed nervous. Very unlike Jalen, IDK what was going on in his head.
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Saban got out coached by a lessor coach who is/was fighting for his job. The players got beat by a team that was/is on paper not as talented as they are. I never saw one player during the game that it looked like it bothered them that they were getting pushed around.
We're definitely more talented, but let's not act like it's some wide margin. We've had the #1 recruiting class for years now, but here are Auburn's recent classes:
2017: #9
2016: #9
2015: #8
2014: #6
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I didn't think Nick could do a worse job than what he did in the 2013 IB, but he did yesterday. It's time for him to realize he isn't the bully anymore. In fact he got bullied yesterday."
I definitely think Saban deserves a lot of blame for the game plan and some of the LOS concerns are legitimate. I think the problem is we've got a bunch of big, powerful guys that we're asking to run wide a lot. If we lined up under center a little bit more and ran downhill I think it'd let the OL get into rhythm, impose their will, and also keep them a little fresher because running those wide plays so often can tire out big linemen.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:00 am to CrimsonBoz
I agree with everything in that post. Our staff sometimes lets their arrogance supersede their ability to make adjust play calling in games.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:01 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Saban needs to get control of this situation ASAP.
No. The situation is over as is our season.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:02 am to CrimsonBoz
All true, albeit none of that is really breaking news.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:02 am to CrimsonBoz
This is the first loss in awhile where I genuinely don’t think anything will change afterwards. Each loss we’ve had I’ve felt like we would get better afterwards and we would adjust.
This time I don’t think the adjustments we make will be enough to win the title this year or next.
This time I don’t think the adjustments we make will be enough to win the title this year or next.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:03 am to Eli Goldfinger
too late for that.....saban has ALREADY checked out....you could see it in his face, hear it in his voice.......HE IS DONE...thanks for the memories coach, now enjoy RETIRMENT......RIP DYNASTY......
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:03 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
My question: if all the above is true, which it certainly appears to be, what is Mr. $10 million going to do to fix it? Somebody out there can coach OL. Stoutland did a decent job. Fire Key and go find a guy who coaches them up. I don't give a shite if he can recruit or not. We've got too many coaches already that are great recruiters and so-so technicians/tacticians.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:04 am to phil4bama
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:06 am to phil4bama
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We've got too many coaches already that are great recruiters and so-so technicians/tacticians.
Have you seen our recruiting class? Even our recruiters are sucking it up.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 9:07 am
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:06 am to chattabama
Very well could be true.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:07 am to CrimsonBoz
Daboll must make one hell of a cup of coffee....
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:09 am to CrimsonBoz
I think that's a broad stroke on the OL. The coaches don't want to put the best players at each position. I think the poster Aja had a good line up.
We have put a true fr in at LT since Smitty, but we don't want to put Leatherwood in now. Obviously jonah is best suited at RT. Womack RG. This would alleviate our troubles. It's not developing, it's having wrong player in positions.
Tua throwing pick 6s is fricking extreme and that "staffer" loses credibility. Tua will know not to take risks in a tight game. He let's it rip in practice and garbage time to test his limits.
Boz, the game is still too fast for Jalen. By the time his brain tells his body (hell, 1/4 of the time his brain doesn't ) it's too late.
For a 2 year starter he needs to be quicker mentally.I stick up for this kid, and I want him to finish what he started this year, but I just wish he pulled the trigger on throwing.
We have put a true fr in at LT since Smitty, but we don't want to put Leatherwood in now. Obviously jonah is best suited at RT. Womack RG. This would alleviate our troubles. It's not developing, it's having wrong player in positions.
Tua throwing pick 6s is fricking extreme and that "staffer" loses credibility. Tua will know not to take risks in a tight game. He let's it rip in practice and garbage time to test his limits.
Boz, the game is still too fast for Jalen. By the time his brain tells his body (hell, 1/4 of the time his brain doesn't ) it's too late.
For a 2 year starter he needs to be quicker mentally.I stick up for this kid, and I want him to finish what he started this year, but I just wish he pulled the trigger on throwing.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:11 am to Bamadoc
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Tua throwing pick 6s is fricking extreme and that "staffer" loses credibility. Tua will know not to take risks in a tight game. He let's it rip in practice and garbage time to test his limits.
Sorry but what he said is true, Tua isn't trusted enough to take it on yet or he would be.he loses no credibility it's the plain truth.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:12 am to CrimsonBoz
The opening drive to start the 3rd qtr was the most impressive that I've seen all year long.
OL put a hat on a hat and Bama moved the ball with ease.
After that, never saw our OL have much success. Don't know if it was due to an adjustment on auburns side or if Bama forgot we had those plays still available. But after that drive, Bama offense and they play selection was horrible.
Also, how in the hell does 34 not get more touches than the 8 carries ?
Kerryon had more touches than 34, 8, and 9 combined!
OL put a hat on a hat and Bama moved the ball with ease.
After that, never saw our OL have much success. Don't know if it was due to an adjustment on auburns side or if Bama forgot we had those plays still available. But after that drive, Bama offense and they play selection was horrible.
Also, how in the hell does 34 not get more touches than the 8 carries ?
Kerryon had more touches than 34, 8, and 9 combined!
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:12 am to CrimsonBoz
SDH in the final seconds of the game...
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 9:13 am
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:13 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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I think the problem is we've got a bunch of big, powerful guys that we're asking to run wide a lot. If we lined up under center a little bit more and ran downhill I think it'd let the OL get into rhythm, impose their will, and also keep them a little fresher because running those wide plays so often can tire out big linemen.
I generally agree with your post except for the part I quoted above.
We had more success vs AU running wide -- 1st drive of 2nd half = glaring evidence.
Our OL is not able to impose it's will against really good Dfronts intent on stopping our inside run game.
Cotton and Womack simply are not very good. They are turnstiles in pass protection.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 9:18 am
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:14 am to CrimsonBoz
Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought our oline wasn't that awful yesterday. We had a good rushing average, and Jalen had decent time to throw.
The real problem is that the ball doesn't leave Jalen's hands fast enough. Maybe that's his fault. Maybe it's Daboll's fault for running too many plays with slow developing routes. All I know is that when I watch prolific passing teams, the ball is out quickly.
The real problem is that the ball doesn't leave Jalen's hands fast enough. Maybe that's his fault. Maybe it's Daboll's fault for running too many plays with slow developing routes. All I know is that when I watch prolific passing teams, the ball is out quickly.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:15 am to CrimsonBoz
I am not saying tua should play this year. I just find it hard to believe most of his picks are pick 6s. I mean I can believe picks. That comes with the territory of a tr fr. Look at jalen and his fumble problem last yr, he got that fixed.
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