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Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:27 pm to Shaft Williams
Yup. Opinions seem to vary on whether we got Bama'd or not vs Clemson and how bad things actually were last year, but somehow our O- and D-lines didn't seem as imposing and intimidating as we are used to from the past. Last year they seemed to be less physical, less overpowering. If you watch old(er) games from the Saban era (which I did to ease the sting from the Clemson loss) you get the feeling that both lines used to strike fear in opponents. And you want the O and D line to beat down and wear out your opponent. You want them to already fear you in advance. I wouldn't be surprised if Saban wants his new line coaches to achieve exactly this. To re-establish Bama as being big, bad and relentless at the line of scrimmage. I have big hopes for that with the new staff!
Posted on 2/25/19 at 1:52 am to RollTideNL
Just hope that the Best 5 get settled in on the OLine and then getting a good 5-6 Dline guys who can alternate thru out the game so they can go all out more and not worry about being totally spent in the 4th quarter.
Will be very interesting to see the rotations against Duke and New Mex St... and hope they have come together for the USCe game... then tweak them during the So Miss and Ole Miss games. Need them to be ready for the aTm and 10rc games. And really need them ready for the home stretch against LSU & Miss St
Will be very interesting to see the rotations against Duke and New Mex St... and hope they have come together for the USCe game... then tweak them during the So Miss and Ole Miss games. Need them to be ready for the aTm and 10rc games. And really need them ready for the home stretch against LSU & Miss St
Posted on 2/25/19 at 11:09 am to RollTideNL
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Yup. Opinions seem to vary on whether we got Bama'd or not vs Clemson and how bad things actually were last year, but somehow our O- and D-lines didn't seem as imposing and intimidating as we are used to from the past. Last year they seemed to be less physical, less overpowering. If you watch old(er) games from the Saban era (which I did to ease the sting from the Clemson loss) you get the feeling that both lines used to strike fear in opponents. And you want the O and D line to beat down and wear out your opponent. You want them to already fear you in advance. I wouldn't be surprised if Saban wants his new line coaches to achieve exactly this. To re-establish Bama as being big, bad and relentless at the line of scrimmage. I have big hopes for that with the new staff!
Personally think we went a little too finesse on the lines of scrimmage in response to all the HUNH offense stuff. We need to get back to a level of physicality that we haven't seen in a while. This is especially true on the OL. I think the primary issue with the DL has simply been the lack of a good rotation. Guys get worn out. We need to develop a good 6-7 guys on the DL who can play at an SEC level and contribute so we stay fresh there. Guys like Ray need more PT to keep guys like Buggs fresh throughout the season. If you say; well, Ray wasn't ready. Well it's the coaches job to get him ready. Same thing with Mathis and other guys who have been in the system for multiple years. If our scheme is so complex that it takes 3 or 4 years for guys to grasp, the system is too complex for the college level and needs to be simplified. I'm sure Saban is aware of all of this and working toward a solution. I'm looking forward to seeing the adjustments our 2019 squad makes.
Posted on 2/25/19 at 11:30 am to tider04
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Personally think we went a little too finesse on the lines of scrimmage in response to all the HUNH offense stuff. We need to get back to a level of physicality that we haven't seen in a while
This is harder to do now though because every high school goes HUNH. I think we had already seen the offensive line play get worse in 2013 before the switch in offensive philosophy.
Posted on 2/25/19 at 12:09 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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This is harder to do now though because every high school goes HUNH.
Each year, the crop of high school offensive lineman gets weaker, both in technique and in total numbers. Fewer and fewer kids that size are choosing to play football, opting for either basketball or frequently nothing. Also, we all know that the HUNH Spread stuff has demolished the concept of teaching traditional Oline techniques at the HS level.
Face it, the younger generations aren't flooding into football like they once did, and it's hitting oline the worst.
Posted on 2/25/19 at 12:50 pm to prevatt33
It’s getting harder to find many guys that are 6’2” to 6’? And 300+ lbs that are agile and athletic. And if you do, chances are good they are soft because they just overpower kids in high school so they have poor or little technique. More often than not, they are just big ole country strong kids with a good layer of baby fat because it doesn’t hamper them in high school. Often from a lower socioeconomic background so proper nutrition and training are luxuries that aren’t in the cards. It’s tough.
Posted on 2/25/19 at 12:51 pm to prevatt33
It won't matter. After they finish with all the rules changes, college football will be just like the 7 on 7 camps.
Posted on 2/25/19 at 1:13 pm to tider04
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Personally think we went a little too finesse on the lines of scrimmage in response to all the HUNH offense stuff. We need to get back to a level of physicality that we haven't seen in a while. This is especially true on the OL. I think the primary issue with the DL has simply been the lack of a good rotation. Guys get worn out. We need to develop a good 6-7 guys on the DL who can play at an SEC level and contribute so we stay fresh there.
We lost so much talent on the Dline from 2015-2017 that there was bound to be a dropoff in 2018. And even in 2018 we had big, physical, athletic guys on the line, just not a lot of depth, and some of those guys under performed. We are used to reloading, but when you lost the insane amount of talent that we did in 15-17 then a dropoff is unavoidable.
Posted on 2/25/19 at 7:58 pm to Funky Tide 8
This ^^^. When the NFL raids your roster like a Visigoth, you’re going to have a drop off in play.
Posted on 2/25/19 at 8:11 pm to LovetheLord
Some drop off as you rebuild is understandable. But when you recruit the way we do, we should have some talented and ready depth every season. Again, Ray was a 5-star that played very little outside of garbage time, same for Mathis, same for Dwight and young guys like Wynn (who came in early for spring ball) and Barmore (who was killing it on scout team) literally got no playing time. Gotta get some of those type dudes ready for real playing time moving forward so we don’t wear out our 3 starters, which we did this season.
This post was edited on 2/25/19 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 2/26/19 at 7:27 am to tider04
Agreed. It is pretty astounding that we can lose so many guys to the NFL and still be a dominant program year in and year out. Obviously Saban and staff do a really good job of identifying talent and developing it. We may have gotten caught a little off guard with last year's draft. Perhaps the staff didn't know just how good that group was going to be and that they would all be going at the same time. I fill y'all in the next convo I have with coach. 
Posted on 2/27/19 at 1:32 pm to LovetheLord
Lol. The Visigoths plundered Rome in 410 AD and Tuscaloosa in 2009-2019.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 8:31 pm to RollTideNL
What's the latest on Nash Acton? The punter who wanted a PWO invite. Kid had some numbers that make you salivate and think of JK Scott v 2.0
Posted on 2/27/19 at 8:51 pm to phil4bama
Well in the article about the Martin kid , he said the staff had looked at 7 punters and picked him so maybe it is not in the works unless he just shows up and walks on idk
Posted on 2/27/19 at 9:07 pm to Bear88
I hope Nash shows up. CNS may be the GOAT but his track record with selecting kickers is about Vanderbilt level. I’d invite ‘em all.
Does the NCAA put a limit on the number of PWOs?
Does the NCAA put a limit on the number of PWOs?
Posted on 2/27/19 at 9:10 pm to phil4bama
Yes bc they get to report earlier than regular walk ons
Posted on 2/28/19 at 2:30 pm to Bear88
Looks like Saban is continuing with his quest to fix last year's issues.
Nick Saban's post-Clemson to do list may look something like this:
1. Fix the defense. Action: replace defensive coordinator. Find committed veteran position coaches with DC experience.
2. Transform O- and D-lines from finesse units into a bunch of mean, physical enforcers. Action: replace both O- and D-line coaches with different types.
3. Establish D-line rotation. Action: tbd.
4. Teach ILBs fundamentals. Action: hire experienced assistants to teach the position coach.
5. Fix the eternal special teams issues, end Skyler DeShort project. Action: hire new/better off-field assistants. Offer every capable in-state punter a PWO spot.
6. Make Bama look like Bama again. Action: create sense of urgency, end complacency.
Anything else needs fixing?
Nick Saban's post-Clemson to do list may look something like this:
1. Fix the defense. Action: replace defensive coordinator. Find committed veteran position coaches with DC experience.
2. Transform O- and D-lines from finesse units into a bunch of mean, physical enforcers. Action: replace both O- and D-line coaches with different types.
3. Establish D-line rotation. Action: tbd.
4. Teach ILBs fundamentals. Action: hire experienced assistants to teach the position coach.
5. Fix the eternal special teams issues, end Skyler DeShort project. Action: hire new/better off-field assistants. Offer every capable in-state punter a PWO spot.
6. Make Bama look like Bama again. Action: create sense of urgency, end complacency.
Anything else needs fixing?
This post was edited on 3/1/19 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 2/28/19 at 2:40 pm to phil4bama
PWOs get to report as soon as they finish HS. I think we have a PWO OL already there and ready to practice in the Spring. Other walk ons are allowed to start practicing once classes start up in the Fall. This became the rule around '90-'91 I believe.
Posted on 2/28/19 at 2:53 pm to RollTideNL
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Make Bama look like Bama again
Is that going to be the pro set Alabama offense that is pretty balanced pass/run, capable of a pounding run game when the plan dictates it, or is that going to be more of a spread RPO like last year's that wasn't quite as capapble of pounding it as previous UA offenses have been?
For better or worse, I think Saban may be currently committed to the RPO, though I'd not have believed it a few years ago. A popular notion back then among Alabama fans was that type of offense impacted the defense not only in the way that it put the defense back on the field after a quick score or 3 and out, but also by the fact that it just changed team dynamics and practice. Basically made the team "not as tough". I'm not convinced that wasn't a valid point then, and now.
edit to say that UGA runs more of a similar offense now as Alabama did then. We've beaten them twice in the last 2 years, so what the hell do I know.
This post was edited on 2/28/19 at 3:01 pm
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