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Cobrasize
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re: Program Chatter
It's frustrating because the young guys would have more of a learning experience if they got to run the regular offense.

Also coach bitches at fans for leaving early but he sends the offensive coordinator to the dang showers as early as he can.

Fans might be more tempted to stay if they thought some of the young guys would get a chance to actually do something. Instead they come out and run a more conservative offense than Gene Stallings


My2Bits
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I can never remember Coach Bryant ever running up the score on anybody and he didn't always run the wishbone. It's been awhile but I think he would even go to the extent of apologizing to the opposing coach if we scored too many points against their beaten team. He was ultra- conservative when it came to that. Other posters can correct me if I am wrong.


Cobrasize
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re: Program Chatter
'73 we beat Virginia Tech 77-6 and beat California 66-0


My2Bits
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Those were outliers in a 25 year career. I think he was apologizing for those games ten years down the road.
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Cobrasize
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He beat Richmond 66-0 in the sixties. I'm not saying he meant to run the score up but it happened.

The Virginia Tech game was a nightmare because we ran the option and they just couldn't stop the run. We had an outrageous amount of rushing yards.


UsingUpAllTheLetters
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Enterprise, AL
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re: Program Chatter
I want a nasty defense this year. Just flat out mean.


tider04
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North Carolina
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I think we all know the offense will be explosive. We need Tua to get better at recognizing switch coverage after the snap, because UGA and Clemson ate his lunch once they realized he made almost all of his decisions pre snap. He’ll be a Junior, time to get good at the details of the game. Hopefully Sark can help him there.

The key for me is getting our defense back to the Alabama standard. Give me a top 5 smothering defense with great depth and a decent punter with our offense and I like our chances.


mrbroker
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re: Program Chatter
I am all for getting the 2's in the game while it means something. But instead of wholesale subs just bring in an OG and a RT for a couple of series. Those guys never seem to get PT unless it is wholesale substitutions.

We need some more PT from the backup DB's as we could be losing a lot this year. Same thing with the LB's


Tw1st3d
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Member since Jul 2017
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re: Program Chatter
Dueling styles of game control at play.
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If the offense is dynamic and scores quickly the defense spends too much time on the field without enough recovery time.
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If the defense excels at getting off the field with 3&outs or quick turnovers, the offense get lots of chances to score.
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If the coaches attempt to slow the play of the offense from its normal form, the offense becomes less efficient and the defense time on the field increases. Players must be rotated often or they get tired.
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If the staff does not rotate the defense early and often they are not ready to be rotated when it is required.
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Will Saban try to run the ground and pound to protect the defense or allow the offense to destroy the other team?
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Or will Saban rotate the defense early and often (before they are needed) so he has large enough numbers ready to play when they are needed?


John Milner
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Instead they come out and run a more conservative offense than Gene Stallings


unpossible


remaster916
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Alabama
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re: Program Chatter
When the backups come in on offense, they need to run the offense. Instead of always going conservative.

Saban talks about not looking at the score of the game, yet he clearly is when the 2s come in.


SummerOfGeorge
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re: Program Chatter
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Saban talks about not looking at the score of the game, yet he clearly is when the 2s come in.



I 100% agree and I think it has most definitely eroded that general program standard the last few years. We absolutely look at the score of the game and we play certain games in ways that it is OBVIOUS that we are "working on things" knowing the game will not be in doubt.

If you don't think the kids don't know and see that then you are kidding yourself.
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John Milner
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We absolutely look at the score of the game and we play certain games in ways that it is OBVIOUS that we are "working on things" knowing the game will not be in doubt.



yes, but I think Saban has done that since he's been here. At least he plays a more conservative game, offensively, when the game isn't in doubt. I'm sure some consider this smart football, in spite of the fact that it will, at least to a degree, limit the development of the less experienced players.

At least as frustrating, imo, was the lack of depth developed on the defensive line.


SummerOfGeorge
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yes, but I think Saban has done that since he's been here. At least he plays a more conservative game, offensively, when the game isn't in doubt. I'm sure some consider this smart football, in spite of the fact that it will, at least to a degree, limit the development of the less experienced players.



He has - but it's just different now because we didn't used to be forced to pull kids or slow down at halftime of games like we are now.

I'd love to see us rotate kids into rotational positions (defensive line, receiver, running back) early and often in games like that (which, lets be honest, is most games). Get them serious reps early in the game when it's close and it matters and the juices are flowing, run all our real stuff, etc.

But what the frick do we know I guess.


Robot Santa
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He has - but it's just different now because we didn't used to be forced to pull kids or slow down at halftime of games like we are now.


We aren't forced to do that though. Letting Mac Jones run more of the playbook wouldn't have resulted in us running up the score too much. It may have produced an extra 10 TDs over the course of the entire season. We wouldn't be going out and beating anyone 84-0 or anything. It's really just that Saban doesn't want to be perceived as running up the score against an already beaten opponent. He gets visibly pissed off when our backups score points late in the game. Like I said, I think he's going to have to come to terms with winning several games 66-3 if he wants to keep the team focused throughout the year. You just can't demand the backups hold themselves to certain standards of performance and then get pissed off when they play to those standards.
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CrimsonBoz
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Florida
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re: Program Chatter
One thing I even hate to bring up and I hope to god the natty fixed this is Tua’s ego. It got big. It really started to show in the end. I’ve only heard chatter but I hope that gets under control.


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SummerOfGeorge
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re: Program Chatter
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We aren't forced to do that though. Letting Mac Jones run more of the playbook wouldn't have resulted in us running up the score too much. It may have produced an extra 10 TDs over the course of the entire season. We wouldn't be going out and beating anyone 84-0 or anything. It's really just that Saban doesn't want to be perceived as running up the score against an already beaten opponent. He gets visibly pissed off when our backups score points late in the game. Like I said, I think he's going to have to come to terms with winning several games 66-3 if he wants to keep the team focused throughout the year. You just can't demand the backups hold themselves to certain standards of performance and then get pissed off when they play to those standards.




Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen x1,000,000


We either play to a standard for 60 minutes, no matter the player, no matter the score........or we don't. And you certainly can't tell the entire 2nd group not to play to that standard every time they come into the game.

And they can say they don't do that, but it's blatantly obvious to anyone who watches this team and program that we do. Things change DRAMATICALLY, and it isn't the players who are changing them - it's what the coaches are doing.


phil4bama
Alabama Fan
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
6118 posts

re: Program Chatter
Tell Tua Proverbs 16:18. “Pride goeth before destruction.” That was certainly evident in the playoffs.


tider04
Alabama Fan
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
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re: Program Chatter
I don't know that the late season issues with Tua were so much ego (although that could be a part of it), so much as he was playing badly injured the last half of the season AND come to find out, he was making most of his reads pre-snap. So when UGA and Clemson started disguising coverages and switching AFTER the snap, Tua was lost. He MUST learn to read defensive coverages POST snap. Because I promise you every team we play in 2019 will be doing exactly what UGA and Clemson did to confuse him.


Sauron
Alabama Fan
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2015
335 posts

re: Program Chatter
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So when UGA and Clemson started disguising coverages and switching AFTER the snap, Tua was lost. He MUST learn to read defensive coverages POST snap.


I think Tua's gunslinging mentality played a big role in that. He'll opt for the big play over the easy check-down nine times out of 10. Several times in the Georgia game, and a few times in the Clemson game, he had a wide open receiver in the flat or running an intermediate route, but he went for the big play. Granted, he completed some of those, but it bit us in the butt more than once, too.

If he'll be content with the check-down rather than regularly going for the home run in 2019, we'll be difficult to stop.


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