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re: Off Topic: Governor's race. Walt Maddox vs. Kay Ivey
Posted on 6/8/18 at 6:39 pm to CrimsonFlounder
Posted on 6/8/18 at 6:39 pm to CrimsonFlounder
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Jones is going to cause Alabama to go more red than ever.
The Democrat led witch hunt going on for a year and a half may cause a backlash for voters that might otherwise consider the individuals rather than the party.
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Posted on 6/8/18 at 6:43 pm to CrimsonFlounder
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:52 pm to The Spleen
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I truly think if people in this state studied both candidates without looking at the R or D, Walt would win easily.
That's the sad thing. Walt is probably the best candidate the state has seen in years but people are too simple minded. Alabama politics is unfortunately based on party rather than people usually. I just moved to Missouri, but the same thing seems to be true here as well.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 8:46 pm to stomp
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Anyone thinks Maddox has a shot? I think it's a major uphill climb, but it'll be interesting to see how close it is.
Ivey will crush him like an empty Natty Lite can on Saturday night.
It will not be close at all.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 9:12 pm to RollDatRoll
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the one group of people who would absolutely have an issue with her lifestyle are the republicans who she is depending on for votes.
Maybe some super religious or very elderly people, but I don't know many Republicans who care at all that she's a lesbian.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 6/8/18 at 9:16 pm to Evolved Simian
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Maybe some elderly people, but I don't know any Republicans who care at all that she's a lesbian.
I don't care one bit. Hell, at her age, you can't be too picky.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 9:20 am to gumpinmizzou
If Walt was so smart, he should've ran as GOP or independent.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 9:25 am to CrimsonFlounder
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After Jones came out and pissed off all the moderate Republicans by voting straight Democrat after saying he wouldn’t
Thst never happened. Hell, Jones even voted for the banking deregulation bill, pissing off democrats everywhere.
This post was edited on 6/9/18 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 6/9/18 at 9:25 am to stomp
I think Maddox has a better shot than the previous tomato cans the Democrats have trotted out for Governor and I don't think Ivey will rout him. However, you're not going to see GOP voters stay flock to the other side of the aisle and vote for him. As said earlier in the thread, Jones got the perfect storm and he still barely won. While Ivey sucks, she's not the lightening rod that Roy Moore was. Ivey should win comfortably. She won the primary without lifting a finger. That's indicative of a strong candidate. She also has a pretty strong political machine behind her.
Maddox does have a few things in his favor though. I bet Ivey is the candidate he probably wanted to face. The Democratic party in Alabama has a little more energy, infrastructure, and GOTV ability thanks to the Special Election. He's young, bright candidate right out of central casting. That can appeal to a lot of people. I bet we'll see plenty of commercials mentioning April 27th. Meanwhile, Ivey will obviously stay her bubble which means there won't be a ton of enthusiasm behind her. She's a creature of the state government with a long career and there are plenty of things Maddox can hit her on. For some unknown reason, Battle never got aggressive.
The contrast between the two is really in his favor and I imagine Maddox would really benefit by sharing a debate stage with her. The age difference aside, she's terrible when not on script. The problem is those debates traditionally don't really move the needle and Ivey has nothing to gain by agreeing to one. That's why Maddox will have to be aggressive and do whatever he can to lure her out of her comfort zone. She doesn't want the race to get the spotlight and become high profile.
Personally, while Ivey shares most of my views, I've never been very fond of her. All she has done is coast from one office to another based purely on name recognition & party affiliation. Even though it's the smart strategy, I don't like that she didn't debate and stays in a bubble. She's running for an office she didn't earn. IMO, we don't need another Governor who feels like they don't have to answer to anyone and is protected 24/7.
Even though I'm a conservative, I think the Alabama GOP needs to get it's bell rung a few times. It continues to trot out hayseed candidates and the pandering is off the charts. Not that I want Democrats to win or control the state, but I don't want to give lifetime passes to awful GOP candidates like Twinkle or Jim Zeigler who are attractive to GOP primary voters.
Maddox does have a few things in his favor though. I bet Ivey is the candidate he probably wanted to face. The Democratic party in Alabama has a little more energy, infrastructure, and GOTV ability thanks to the Special Election. He's young, bright candidate right out of central casting. That can appeal to a lot of people. I bet we'll see plenty of commercials mentioning April 27th. Meanwhile, Ivey will obviously stay her bubble which means there won't be a ton of enthusiasm behind her. She's a creature of the state government with a long career and there are plenty of things Maddox can hit her on. For some unknown reason, Battle never got aggressive.
The contrast between the two is really in his favor and I imagine Maddox would really benefit by sharing a debate stage with her. The age difference aside, she's terrible when not on script. The problem is those debates traditionally don't really move the needle and Ivey has nothing to gain by agreeing to one. That's why Maddox will have to be aggressive and do whatever he can to lure her out of her comfort zone. She doesn't want the race to get the spotlight and become high profile.
Personally, while Ivey shares most of my views, I've never been very fond of her. All she has done is coast from one office to another based purely on name recognition & party affiliation. Even though it's the smart strategy, I don't like that she didn't debate and stays in a bubble. She's running for an office she didn't earn. IMO, we don't need another Governor who feels like they don't have to answer to anyone and is protected 24/7.
Even though I'm a conservative, I think the Alabama GOP needs to get it's bell rung a few times. It continues to trot out hayseed candidates and the pandering is off the charts. Not that I want Democrats to win or control the state, but I don't want to give lifetime passes to awful GOP candidates like Twinkle or Jim Zeigler who are attractive to GOP primary voters.
This post was edited on 6/9/18 at 9:28 am
Posted on 6/9/18 at 9:33 am to FairhopeTider
BTW, the lesbian rumors are more than likely true. They've been floating around Montgomery for years but unless some jilted lover comes out with proof, we probably won't see anything about it. Maddox won't touch it and if a Democrat surrogate decides to bring it up, all it will do is rally people behind Ivey. That's exactly what we saw a few weeks ago.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 3:43 pm to gumpinmizzou
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Alabama politics is unfortunately based on party rather than people usually.
The thing happens in Massachusetts. Our senior Senator, Elizabeth Warren, hasn't done a whole lot and went back on her promise to not be hyper-partisan. For someone who is supposedly a champion for the middle class, she has done jack squat passing legislation for us. But because she's uber liberal and a Democrat, she'll win easily here. I imagine that the same thing happens in Texas with conservatives.
This post was edited on 6/9/18 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 6/9/18 at 4:37 pm to FairhopeTider
Pretty good assessment, and I agree with most of it. If the election were held today, Ivey wins by 5-10 points. Walt is going to kick her arse in campaigning and will be able to close that gap. I don't think he'll be able to close it enough, but hoping to be proven wrong.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 9:42 pm to FairhopeTider
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I don't want to give lifetime passes to awful GOP candidates like Twinkle or Jim Zeigler who are attractive to GOP primary voters.
Preach it brother.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 9:46 pm to The Spleen
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Pretty good assessment, and I agree with most of it. If the election were held today, Ivey wins by 5-10 points. Walt is going to kick her arse in campaigning and will be able to close that gap. I don't think he'll be able to close it enough, but hoping to be proven wrong.
I'll be shocked if he is any closer than 55-45.
People are reading entirely too much into Doug Jones. He became a senator the same way Guy Hunt became governor. He was lucky enough to be the other guy on the ticket when the wheels fell off the otherwise guaranteed winner.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 10:19 pm to JustGetItRight
My assessment has little to do with Doug Jones. His win wasn't a complete anomoly as he campaigned hard and got people to the polls. Walt is using the same people Jones did, and the comparisons end there. I do think his win has woken up a lot of likely Dem voters that were otherwise pretty apathetic.
My assessment has more to do with the national mood, Walt's popularity in Tuscaloosa, the type of candidate he is, and the type of candidate Ivey is. I think Ivey wins, but it'll be closer than a gubernatorial election has been in this state in some time.
My assessment has more to do with the national mood, Walt's popularity in Tuscaloosa, the type of candidate he is, and the type of candidate Ivey is. I think Ivey wins, but it'll be closer than a gubernatorial election has been in this state in some time.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 12:18 am to JustGetItRight
Sounds like you plan to vote for Ivey ? Care to indulge us with the reasons why shes the better candidate?
Posted on 6/10/18 at 9:07 am to RollTide4Ever
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If Walt was so smart, he should've ran as GOP or independent.
He addressed that when he first announced he was running. He said he didn't want to lie about who he was.
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After Jones came out and pissed off all the moderate Republicans by voting straight Democrat after saying he wouldn’t
LOL what? If anything he's pissed off some of the staunch Democrats who helped him get elected.
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Do you people do any research?
No. I constantly have people I know on Facebook sharing political news that one simple google search would tell them was "fake news", but those people only believe news is fake if it's something they don't want to hear.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 12:15 pm to The Spleen
Walt might not even win Tuscaloosa county
Posted on 6/10/18 at 3:50 pm to JBearden
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Sounds like you plan to vote for Ivey ? Care to indulge us with the reasons why shes the better candidate?
I voted for Battle in the primary. In the general, I'll either vote for Kay or sit it out. She's noting special, but her time in office hasn't been marred by very many bad choices either - for example she's appointed many career professionals as agency heads instead of giving those positions to politically connected fat cats or donors.
I don't have anything specific against Maddox but as long as AEA, Reed, and Worley hold the keys to the Democratic party I'll never ever vote for one of their candidates in an office as important as governor. AEA's efforts to stymie state intervention in the Montgomery public school system nearly resulted in 400 employees losing their jobs and may well be the final nail in that system losing their accreditation. People will say Maddox won't listen to them, and maybe he won't but I am unwilling to take the chance.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 5:11 pm to JustGetItRight
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for example she's appointed many career professionals as agency heads instead of giving those positions to politically connected fat cats or donors.
such as who? I just can't recall any appointments to agencies that matter.
This post was edited on 6/10/18 at 5:13 pm
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