re: Off Topic: Governor's race. Walt Maddox vs. Kay Ivey

Ultimately though, in terms of the subject of this thread, Republicans slaughtered in Alabama and Maddox didnt even make it competitive.

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One vote is not representative of a "hard left turn".

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When the subject of that vote was a SCOTUS seat, the rest become irrelevant. That one vote ended whatever slim hope he had of getting re-elected.

As far as tonight goes, I am a little surprised at the margin. Way back at the start of the thread, I predicted a 10-20 point Ivey win with the total being closer to 20 but possibly greater than 20 is impressive.

I think going dirty late with the attacks on Ivey’s health really hurt Maddox. He wasn’t going to win but had done a pretty good job of selling himself as a less-partisan candidate. Those attacks flushed all that work right down the toilet.

Anyhow, if (D)s want to ever become relevant again, they have to do a couple of things. First is distance themselves from the national party ala Joe Manchin. Second, and most important, is get rid of Whorley and Reed. If they are so inept that they can’t even mount a serious challenge to an obviously mentally disturbed man like Jim Zeigler then they have no business running anything.

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Maddox lost Tuscaloosa County.

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Ouch.

When is the next mayoral election? 2020? Now that he has identified as a Democrat, he might find it harder to keep the job next time around.

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Anyhow, if (D)s want to ever become relevant again

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I mean, they clearly won the night, I think it is disingenuous to call them irrelavant.

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I was speaking about Alabama, not nationally

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Ah, my bad, that's fair.

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We could see an even bigger shaitshow than the last 2 years or they could actually realize the need to or together and address a problem or two.

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I've gor my money on shitshow. We are not in a good spot and we'll need severe changes to get things back on track. Our inability to not only compromise, but even have conversations amongst people with different opinions has produced nothing but dysfunction. Divided, we fall. It's really a sad state for our nation.

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I think Jones’ hard left turn the last few months killed any hopes the Democrats had of at least being semi-competitive in this state. I

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I dont think anything would have changed tonight, but Jones' stance with Kavanaugh killed a lot of momentum.

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This is only the third time in the last 100 years that the sitting president's party has gained or kept the Senate in his first midterm election. This is a huge win for Republicans.

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The republicans had hardly any seats to defend and many Dem seats that were up were in Trump territory. Look at the map. It isn't nonsense, it's literally the structural conditions that happened to exist during this election.


Losing the House by a significant margin is by no means a huge win for republicans.

Plus they pulled like 5 gubernatorial races as a cherry topping.

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Losing the House by a significant margin is by no means a huge win for republicans.

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A 9 point national loss in the House vote is a pretty significant loss even though it didn't correlate to the representative number of seats it should have.

The D's "clearly won the night" ..you can spin it that way if you like but it looks to me like they spent enormous amounts of money star power and prestige for zero return.

Obama was Ofer everywhere he went. They went all out in Georgia and it looks like they didn't get it done. Lost in Florida too.

They sent money to Beto from everywhere and cheated their asses off and still lost.

It was an average midterm situation in the House that I blame on The Lemur Paul Ryan and his Crew of Cucks. Tiptoeing through the tulips and trying not to offend anyone is no way to govern and his lame duck arse should have gotten out of the way for a real Speaker that could have saved some seats.

It's going to be an utter shitshow. The Dems aren't going to play ball with anything Trump and the GOP try to accomplish and Trump can't even guarantee keeping all his people in the fold because he's a loose cannon and doesn't always play the by the politics as usual handbook.

I am so ready for a 3rd, centrist party. Our political system is completely, utterly broke and dysfunctional because everyone is too busy playing political gamesmanship to govern and run the country. And I think that is the #1 issue in the electorate's mind, they just haven't identified it. I'd be willing to bet there are more people out there voting AGAINST Trump and the Republicans and AGAINST Nancy Pelosi/Feinstein/Soros just because they hate what either side stands for more than they identify with the other party's platform. The country from leadership on down, is completely polarized and there's no hope for compromise and collaboration. And it gets worse with every election. Candidates see that the guy that tries to be moderate and find the middle ground get attacked as weak by their own party, yet still on the wrong team to attract enough independents and swing voters from the other. So it's safer to move further left or right on the political spectrum to keep your party voters behind you. Then the next guy has to move further and further to win the primary and so on.

I keep thinking someone somewhere will wake up and realize it's time to challenge and change the two-party system, but I'm afraid they are too powerful and too entrenched without some sort of revolution.