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re: Off Topic: Governor's race. Walt Maddox vs. Kay Ivey
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:23 am to AHM21
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:23 am to AHM21
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“never married, no kids, might be gay”
If the Democrats promote a more progressive Alabama, then why would the sexual orientation of an opposition candidate be the slightest bit important?
When I learned this poem, I thought it was a beautiful one about romantic love, and it is...
Decade
When you came, you were like red wine and honey,
And the taste of you burnt my mouth with its sweetness.
Now you are like morning bread,
Smooth and pleasant.
I hardly taste you at all for I know your savour,
But I am completely nourished.
A few years later, I learned that the poet, Amy Lowell, was a lesbian, and it was probably about her long time lover. "When you came, you were like red wine and honey, And the taste of you burnt my mouth with its sweetness. " took on a whole other meaning. It's an awesome poem, in any event.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 7:33 am
Posted on 6/8/18 at 9:06 am to Gary Busey
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Was hoping for Tommy Battle to at least win enough votes for a runoff. Guess his name isn't known enough beyond north Alabama.
Oh he's known, it's just that a good chunk of Alabama looks at anyone and anything coming from the Huntsville area as just another "god damn yankee"
Posted on 6/8/18 at 9:10 am to Centinel
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it's just that a good chunk of Alabama looks at anyone and anything coming from the Huntsville area as just another "god damn yankee"
He also endorsed Roy Moore.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 9:33 am to John Milner
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If the Democrats promote a more progressive Alabama, then why would the sexual orientation of an opposition candidate be the slightest bit important?
Walt isn't going to touch the rumors of her sexuality. He's just not that type of politician. People will bring it up, but it won't be Walt or his campaign.
He is a long shot, but Ivey winning the GOP nomination was the best thing for him. He will outwork her on the campaign trail, which is what he will have to do. She'll sit back mostly and rely on the R straight ticket voters that do no research. Maddox needs a massive GOTV campaign, and even that won't be enough. He needs to convince a lot of Republican voters to come over to his side. He has a lot of that in the Tuscaloosa area, but that won't be enough.
The scary thing to me is the Lt Governor race and Twinkle Cavanugh in the runoff. If Ivey's health concerns are legitimate, Cavanuagh as governor could be a distinct possibility and that is very worrisome to me.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 10:37 am to pvilleguru
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He also endorsed Roy Moore.
Ya, well, I didn't say everyone from Huntsville was smart
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:17 am to John Milner
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If the Democrats promote a more progressive Alabama, then why would the sexual orientation of an opposition candidate be the slightest bit important?
Democrats don't care about her sexual orientation. I don't think many people do. She is free to have a relationship with whoever she wants. However, the one group of people who would absolutely have an issue with her lifestyle are the republicans who she is depending on for votes. Therein lies the problem.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 12:22 pm to RollDatRoll
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Democrats don't care about her sexual orientation. I don't think many people do. She is free to have a relationship with whoever she wants. However, the one group of people who would absolutely have an issue with her lifestyle are the republicans who she is depending on for votes. Therein lies the problem.
So the Democrats and those that support them would just insinuate. That's hypocritical.
I'm pretty apathetic about politics, or at least jaded, but if I had to choose, I would nearly always vote Republican, and I don't give a flying leap about her sexuality.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 12:55 pm to John Milner
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That's hypocritical.
welcome to politics
Posted on 6/8/18 at 1:43 pm to stomp
Walt has a proven record of making things great. He took the worst possible situation imaginable, handled it without problems, and has made the city far, far better than it was before. He literally took a turd lemon and made strawberry lemonade.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 2:17 pm to MontyFranklyn
Walt is an old-school business friendly Democrat. He believes there can be balance between unfettered capitalism and strong support for social programs. And while he supports a lot of the social/civil rights causes, they're not really central to his campaign.
I truly think if people in this state studied both candidates without looking at the R or D, Walt would win easily.
I truly think if people in this state studied both candidates without looking at the R or D, Walt would win easily.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 2:33 pm to The Spleen
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I truly think if people in this state studied both candidates without looking at the R or D, Walt would win easily.
Absolutely. Unfortunately, we live in a state where people vote republican regardless of how good or bad the candidate is. Even though Jones won, look at how many people still supported Roy Moore.
If people would put party aside, and just vote for the best candidate, Alabama could be in good shape moving forward.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 2:47 pm to McGregor
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That's hypocritical.
welcome to politics
Course, you got a point there. I did already say I was jaded.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:22 pm to pvilleguru
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Speaking of elections, is there a list anywhere of all the politicians that supported Roy Moore? I want to make sure that I never vote for any of them.
Completely irrelevant in my vote. Heck, I still hold if Moore did what he's accused of, he'd be in jail. He's not been brought to court, because, despite being tried and condemned in the public arena, any prosecutor could tell you, there's no evidence and no case to be had.
In any case, if Moore had an iota of a clue and cared anything for keeping the GOP from losing any ground in the senate (ie, party over country). He would have swallowed his pride, realized the damage had been done and announced his withdrawal from the campaign and encouraged Alabamians to write in Strange and announced his time would be now spent countering the slanderous claims.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:24 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Walt has a proven record of making things great. He took the worst possible situation imaginable, handled it without problems, and has made the city far, far better than it was before. He literally took a turd lemon and made strawberry lemonade.
Maddox has permitted and encouraged an egregious amount of over-development that has not helped the Tuscaloosa community post 2011-tornado. The development allowed has contributed to gentrification of previously low-income areas. It's largely reflected in increased homelessness population and higher crime rates in areas that aren't the University. Look at Holt and Alberta as the major examples.
He's the one to be held responsible for the Tuscaloosa Housing Authority's lack of regulation in the area. He literally appointed their governing board.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:32 pm to Lordofwrath88
As someone who lives in Tuscaloosa, I disagree. I haven't noticed an increase in homelessness or crime. I have seen major improvements around town including infrastructure which was greatly needed.
I think he has done a great job as mayor and would hate to lose him as mayor if he became governor.
ETA...I do see where gun crime is up this year. I have noticed a lot robberies late night around campus.
I think he has done a great job as mayor and would hate to lose him as mayor if he became governor.
ETA...I do see where gun crime is up this year. I have noticed a lot robberies late night around campus.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:35 pm to Lordofwrath88
A lot of people in Tuscaloosa don't like Maddox because of the condos and apartments. I think he did more pre tornado than Dupont did his whole time in office. Just look at one of Tuscaloosa's biggest assets (the river) and see all of the development that Maddox help bring to that area.
I had a husband and wife that are huge into church tell me they are definitely voting for Ivey. Why? Because she is a Republican and upholds their same beliefs, smh. I wanted to tell them what I have heard from the people in the know from Montgomery but I bite my tongue.
I had a husband and wife that are huge into church tell me they are definitely voting for Ivey. Why? Because she is a Republican and upholds their same beliefs, smh. I wanted to tell them what I have heard from the people in the know from Montgomery but I bite my tongue.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:47 pm to Lordofwrath88
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It's largely reflected in increased homelessness population and higher crime rates in areas that aren't the University
Tuscaloosa's crime rate has gone down pretty steadily since to became mayor.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 4:46 pm to stomp
After Jones came out and pissed off all the moderate Republicans by voting straight Democrat after saying he wouldn’t; Maddox has zero chance. No one in this state will believe he won’t instantly start shoving “progressive” garbage down everyone’s throat. I personally liked Hightower or Battle, but Ivey will win by at least 20 points. Jones is going to cause Alabama to go more red than ever.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 4:52 pm to Lordofwrath88
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higher crime rates in areas that aren't the University. Look at Holt and Alberta as the major examples.
Are you saying the crime rate in Alberta has increased since the tornado? I find that hard to believe as the tornado basically wiped out the crack dens behind Alberta Elementary, and that are has seen some gentrification. But I don't live in Tuscaloosa so not as connected to it as some. I think even Walt would admit the city has made some mistakes in its post-tornado recovery and rr-development. That development where Cedar Crest used to be is a quagmire for example. But overall, I think his leadership has been a good thing for the city.
And it's often overlooked how he lead the city's bailing out of Stillman College. Say what you want about Stillman, but it's a valuable resource for the city and the West side.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 4:56 pm to CrimsonFlounder
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No one in this state will believe he won’t instantly start shoving “progressive” garbage down everyone’s throat
You're pretty ignorant if you think he'll be able to do that given the Republican majorities in both the House and Senate. Currently veto-proof majorities, I might add. The governor of this state doesn't hold much power to begin with.
But keep pulling that lever for the R candidate over some unfounded fears. I'm sure one of them eventually won't embarrass the state.
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