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re: Is Nate Oats the problem?
Posted on 3/11/22 at 9:05 am to Diego Ricardo
Posted on 3/11/22 at 9:05 am to Diego Ricardo
Again, my issue is with the lack of sound fundamentals.
Inconsistency in FTs, rebounding.
Whose fault is that? If a player is unwilling or unable to do those things consistently, they should be benched.
If there isn’t a better replacement, then we have to recruit differently.
I played high school girls basketball,” boxing out” was drilled into our heads. Even if you had a height disadvantage, back the opponent away from the basket. If you’re in proper position, odds of getting the rebound or a foul, greatly increase.
A lot of time, our guys get pushed under the basket and don’t get the over the back call. I guess it could be a size/height issue and the only fix is bigger players.
This doesn’t mean I want to replace the coach or the players to succeed.
There just seems to be a lack of “want to” with this team. Maybe Oats knows what he has with this team and feels he is playing with house money this year, giving guys like JD playing time in anticipation for next year.
jmho
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Inconsistency in FTs, rebounding.
Whose fault is that? If a player is unwilling or unable to do those things consistently, they should be benched.
If there isn’t a better replacement, then we have to recruit differently.
I played high school girls basketball,” boxing out” was drilled into our heads. Even if you had a height disadvantage, back the opponent away from the basket. If you’re in proper position, odds of getting the rebound or a foul, greatly increase.
A lot of time, our guys get pushed under the basket and don’t get the over the back call. I guess it could be a size/height issue and the only fix is bigger players.
This doesn’t mean I want to replace the coach or the players to succeed.
There just seems to be a lack of “want to” with this team. Maybe Oats knows what he has with this team and feels he is playing with house money this year, giving guys like JD playing time in anticipation for next year.
jmho
I left tidefans to join this site, because I wanted to commiserate with others who love Alabama and not get banned for uttering a criticism.
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Posted on 3/11/22 at 9:07 am to auisssa
The offense might score fairly high, but they also create more opportunities for the other team to score by playing fast.
Its sort of the opposite of when Avery was here. We played slow so the other team did not get as many possessions with the ball. That made our defense look better. Its the opposite now. We give the other team more possessions.
Last night we had one shooter from the 3 pt line. And having bigs that cant shoot (they really dont do anything well) just clogs up the middle on our dribble drive. Their big men dont worry about going out to cover our big men. Our problem is our big men dont do anything well.
They cant shoot, rebound, play defense, post up, nothing.
If Bediaco even gets a rebound they take it away from him because he pulls the ball down to his knees. Really well coached, too. We need a Leon Douglas like player that averaged 22 rebounds a game and blocked about 5 shots a game.
Its sort of the opposite of when Avery was here. We played slow so the other team did not get as many possessions with the ball. That made our defense look better. Its the opposite now. We give the other team more possessions.
Last night we had one shooter from the 3 pt line. And having bigs that cant shoot (they really dont do anything well) just clogs up the middle on our dribble drive. Their big men dont worry about going out to cover our big men. Our problem is our big men dont do anything well.
They cant shoot, rebound, play defense, post up, nothing.
If Bediaco even gets a rebound they take it away from him because he pulls the ball down to his knees. Really well coached, too. We need a Leon Douglas like player that averaged 22 rebounds a game and blocked about 5 shots a game.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 9:13 am to IB4bama
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The offense might score fairly high, but they also create more opportunities for the other team to score by playing fast.
Its sort of the opposite of when Avery was here. We played slow so the other team did not get as many possessions with the ball. That made our defense look better. Its the opposite now. We give the other team more possessions.
We're better on a per possession basis on offense, by far.
Oats teams efficiency (points per possession)
2022 - 1.16 (#12)
2021 - 1.12 (#32)
2020 - 1.11 (#33)
Avery's teams efficiency (points per possession)
2019 - 1.08 (#96)
2018 - 1.08 (#103)
2017 - 1.04 (#154)
2016 - 1.05 (#150)
Defensively we were #3 in the country in adjusted PPP last year (0.90). This year we are #107 (0.99).
This team is not about 3's or offense. It's about turnovers and defense.
#107 in efficiency defense
#270 in turnover rate
#280 in defensive rebounding
#289 in free throw rate defense
We can't guard without fouling. We don't rebound well. We give away 10-12 points a game off live ball turnovers. It's pretty damn simple why we suck.
This post was edited on 3/11/22 at 9:15 am
Posted on 3/11/22 at 9:15 am to IB4bama
Yeah, you should probably get on the phone with Oats and let him know that if he just signs a kid who grabs 20+ rebounds and blocks half a dozen shots every game it'll make us pretty solid in the front court. There's like a dozen future Wilt Chamberlains out there in every recruiting class. Guys like that are a dime a dozen and definitely wouldn't have much interest in going to Kentucky, Duke, UNC, or Kansas.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:20 am to Robot Santa
cno doesn't have a magic wand to force team chemistry. he also cant snap his fingers making these kids smart players.
this team reminds me of that movie, 50 First Dates. no matter how well they may play in a given game, the next day they have to have everything taught from scratch all over again. at some point the responsibility falls straight on the players. cno can only do so much and thats it, period.
this team reminds me of that movie, 50 First Dates. no matter how well they may play in a given game, the next day they have to have everything taught from scratch all over again. at some point the responsibility falls straight on the players. cno can only do so much and thats it, period.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:32 am to bogeypro
It's not all on the coach but, as the saying goes, the buck stops with him. Last year, we had team leaders like Herb Jones and John Petty; that's woefully absent this year.
Also for the style we run, we don't really have that pure shooter that can consistently hit from deep; we have some guys that can score, but no one that when he shoots from outside you feel confident that it's going in. Shackelford is the only player hitting threes at a better clip this year than last (bout 1% higher); Quinerly's 3 pt shooting is down something like 15% from last year. This team needs a Hollywood Robinson, an Alvin Lee, or even a John Petty type shooter...hopefully, we'll get a player like that in our incoming class...
Also for the style we run, we don't really have that pure shooter that can consistently hit from deep; we have some guys that can score, but no one that when he shoots from outside you feel confident that it's going in. Shackelford is the only player hitting threes at a better clip this year than last (bout 1% higher); Quinerly's 3 pt shooting is down something like 15% from last year. This team needs a Hollywood Robinson, an Alvin Lee, or even a John Petty type shooter...hopefully, we'll get a player like that in our incoming class...
Posted on 3/11/22 at 11:06 am to hnds2th
hnds2th, I am not a sunshine pumper and I hope that wasn’t the tone I gave. I’m just being “balanced” and hoping that Oats just has a bad roster and not a bad approach for sustaining success.
1 season is not a trend. That kinda goes both for his successes in 2020-2021 and failures in 2021-2022. Next season is my tie breaker that sets my opinion on the direction of basketball with Oats.
1 season is not a trend. That kinda goes both for his successes in 2020-2021 and failures in 2021-2022. Next season is my tie breaker that sets my opinion on the direction of basketball with Oats.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 12:17 pm to Robot Santa
he should not need a phone call from me to know his big men, the ones he has recruited, cannot rebound. Period. Every team in the SEC has better rebounders. You cant miss on every big man you recruit. They need to be good at something. Maybe that changes with this next class.
This post was edited on 3/11/22 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 3/11/22 at 12:50 pm to GooseSix
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Is Nate Oates the problem?
Nope. John Wooden couldn't coach these dumb fricks.
John Wooden likely wouldn't have recruited them, so that takes us back to the original question.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 1:09 pm to BamaGradinTn
Posted on 3/11/22 at 1:35 pm to bogeypro
It might not be his best coaching job, but Calipari, Pearl, Izzo, Bennett, Coach K, and Roy Williams all have had worse seasons than this in the past 2 years alone. Sometimes even the greats miss the tourney and we aren't remotely close to doing that
I'll remain optimistic. But the questions about fundamentals, fixable mistakes, and effort remain and Oats' role in them are valid
I'll remain optimistic. But the questions about fundamentals, fixable mistakes, and effort remain and Oats' role in them are valid
This post was edited on 3/11/22 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 3/11/22 at 2:49 pm to Glorious
Looking at this thread, can y'all imagine if we had a season like Auburn had last year? There'd be pitchforks and torches everywhere, and calling him a shitty coach. And yet, here they are, ranked #4 and a likely 1 seed. Hell, Duke was 13-11 last year.
Bitching about the players, when they were the best he could recruit at the time. And they aren't terrible players, just not stars or leaders. And on a disappointing season, we're still looking at a 6 or 7 seed in the tournament.
I'm not happy about how we finished this season. And Oats definitely holds some blame. But y'all are acting like the sky is falling, and our program is becoming garbage. But we have our best recruiting class ever coming in. And they're full of long, athletic scorers. If our floor is a 7 seed in the tournament, and y'all are upset about that, then you just need to not watch basketball. It's not a good sport for you. That, or Saban has all of your expectations fricked up.
Bitching about the players, when they were the best he could recruit at the time. And they aren't terrible players, just not stars or leaders. And on a disappointing season, we're still looking at a 6 or 7 seed in the tournament.
I'm not happy about how we finished this season. And Oats definitely holds some blame. But y'all are acting like the sky is falling, and our program is becoming garbage. But we have our best recruiting class ever coming in. And they're full of long, athletic scorers. If our floor is a 7 seed in the tournament, and y'all are upset about that, then you just need to not watch basketball. It's not a good sport for you. That, or Saban has all of your expectations fricked up.
This post was edited on 3/11/22 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 3/11/22 at 2:56 pm to CCTider
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Looking at this thread, can y'all imagine if we had a season like Auburn had last year? There'd be pitchforks and torches everywhere, and calling him a shitty coach. And yet, here they are, ranked #4 and a likely 1 seed. Hell, Duke was 13-11 last year.
Bitching about the players, when they were the best he could recruit at the time. And they aren't terrible players, just not stars or leaders. And on a disappointing season, we're still looking at a 6 or 7 seed in the tournament.
I'm not happy about how we finished this season. And Oats definitely holds some blame. But y'all are acting like the sky is falling, and our program is becoming garbage. But we have our best recruiting class ever coming in. And they're full of long, athletic scorers. If our floor is a 7 seed in the tournament, and y'all are upset about that, then you just need to not watch basketball. It's not a good sport for you. That, or Saban has all of your expectations fricked up.
Best comment in the thread. Also, it’s annoying and lame that some of you literally only comment when things are bad. frick off with all that.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 3:05 pm to JustinT256
Yep very annoying, i think some of them must want grant and avery back. The rebounding thing is funny because we rarely lose that battele. Last night wasnt a lack of effort, we got 4 ORS on one possession. Gtfo with the lack of effort crap. Lack of basketball iq sometimes ? Definitely
Posted on 3/11/22 at 3:12 pm to TiderinVa
It is annoying. Unless you post in our basketball thread regularly and spell his name correctly, you have no room to talk because you are more than likely a FOG.
They’ve really ruined this season for me and I think the FOGs on twitter have kinda shattered our players confidence
They’ve really ruined this season for me and I think the FOGs on twitter have kinda shattered our players confidence
Posted on 3/11/22 at 3:26 pm to mistaken4193
This season is disappointing and I am checked out for expecting anything of them but they gotta have more mental toughness than letting twitter fingers get to them.
I don’t think that’s it anyway. It is just a deficient team despite the individual components being promising.
I don’t think that’s it anyway. It is just a deficient team despite the individual components being promising.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 3:28 pm to mistaken4193
Yeah misspelling his name makes it impossible to take anything they say seriously
Posted on 3/11/22 at 5:11 pm to TiderinVa
Last year's team was full of Avery's players. Just sayin'...
Posted on 3/11/22 at 5:16 pm to Mr Google Fingers
Geezus... Avery couldnt take a collun sexton team past the round of 32. Let that sink in
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