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re: Is Nate Oats the problem?
Posted on 3/11/22 at 5:28 pm to bogeypro
Posted on 3/11/22 at 5:28 pm to bogeypro
No, a down year and we're still in the tournament rather easily with wins over teams like Gonzaga, Baylor, Houston, Tennessee and Arkansas.
This team is what it is. Inconsistent. But when was the last time we made the tournament in back to back years?
This team is what it is. Inconsistent. But when was the last time we made the tournament in back to back years?
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Posted on 3/11/22 at 6:53 pm to mistaken4193
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I think the FOGs on twitter have kinda shattered our players confidence
Lol you can’t be serious. If twitter hurts their confidence then they have none.
My only gripe against coach is having JD bring the ball up in a tight game when he turns the ball over so much.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 7:10 pm to bogeypro
I mean.....kind of right now.
People forget what a young coach Nate is and he's at his first ever Power Conference job. There's going to be success aw well as growing pains.
Look at our Gymnastics team. We got, on paper, the most sound and natural successor to Sarah Patterson and she won the SEC almost immediately. We slumped as she had to change the program into her own and over the last three years have finally begin scoring elite results again.
I think Nate is going to be GREAT in the long run, but these hiccups are still totally on him... and on him to learn and get better.
People forget what a young coach Nate is and he's at his first ever Power Conference job. There's going to be success aw well as growing pains.
Look at our Gymnastics team. We got, on paper, the most sound and natural successor to Sarah Patterson and she won the SEC almost immediately. We slumped as she had to change the program into her own and over the last three years have finally begin scoring elite results again.
I think Nate is going to be GREAT in the long run, but these hiccups are still totally on him... and on him to learn and get better.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 9:15 pm to lechateau
He's only been a head coach 6-7 years right? Probably has a lot to learn.
I agree, ultimately its all on him. I think he will grow.
I do worry about his philosophy (all layups or all 3s, nothing in between) and perhaps being too easy to crack...or too streaky. In the back of my mind I think of Malzahn, who kinda took the SEC by storm but was quickly "figured out."
Still: we're in the tournament 2 years in a row. He deserves some time.
I agree, ultimately its all on him. I think he will grow.
I do worry about his philosophy (all layups or all 3s, nothing in between) and perhaps being too easy to crack...or too streaky. In the back of my mind I think of Malzahn, who kinda took the SEC by storm but was quickly "figured out."
Still: we're in the tournament 2 years in a row. He deserves some time.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 9:55 pm to Grievous Angel
Hard to argue with Grievous Angel.
Coach has earned lots of credit with the recruiting and the results compared to prior years in the wilderness. Hard to argue against making the tournament.
It is also hard to overlook the Malzahn-type situation in the back of one's mind... some great coaches on the other teams have mentioned that they are able to dissect the team's philosophy.
I never usually call out players, but there are strong indicators from insiders that the team has players who aren't great teammates and/or... character. I guess I'll leave that up to you all.
Coach has earned lots of credit with the recruiting and the results compared to prior years in the wilderness. Hard to argue against making the tournament.
It is also hard to overlook the Malzahn-type situation in the back of one's mind... some great coaches on the other teams have mentioned that they are able to dissect the team's philosophy.
I never usually call out players, but there are strong indicators from insiders that the team has players who aren't great teammates and/or... character. I guess I'll leave that up to you all.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:38 pm to Grievous Angel
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He's only been a head coach 6-7 years right? Probably has a lot to learn
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I do worry about his philosophy (all layups or all 3s, nothing in between) and perhaps being too easy to crack...or too streaky
Nailed it.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:51 pm to BeltwayTide
I call bullshite on anyone saying any of these guys having "character" issues
Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:43 am to Bamafan4evr12
The season expectation levels were set a bit too high and the rollercoaster of a season didn't help but based on this rating system (average point differential and SOS) this was our 7th best season in program history.
Like someone else mentioned, Oats hasn't even been coaching basketball for that relatively long. He's only going to improve and so will Alabama.
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Like someone else mentioned, Oats hasn't even been coaching basketball for that relatively long. He's only going to improve and so will Alabama.
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:58 am to TheNameIsDalton
Amen... And the fact we performed well in non conference gives me hope that we have a run in us
Posted on 3/12/22 at 1:28 pm to TiderinVa
I doubt there are any character issues among the players. As far as other coaches figuring out how to play us. Its pretty simple when we have 3 players on the court that cant shoot. Just let those three shoot, and their defenders can back down into the lane to stop the dribble drive and create turnovers. If we have more than one that cant shoot, it causes problems for the offense. The other thing is bball players need to have quick feet to play defense.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 3:45 pm to IB4bama
Copeland on tide TV said this the other day.
the other teams know we are not taking the mid range shot so why even play D on those guys. He made the comment that Oats should adapt to a mid range game when the3's are not falling which is about 75% of the time
Even a dumb FB player has figured out how to play an Oats coached team.
the other teams know we are not taking the mid range shot so why even play D on those guys. He made the comment that Oats should adapt to a mid range game when the3's are not falling which is about 75% of the time
Even a dumb FB player has figured out how to play an Oats coached team.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 3:57 pm to mrbroker
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Even a dumb FB player has figured out how to play an Oats coached team.
Yep it’s why we have the #1 scoring offense in the SEC.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 4:12 pm to TiderinVa
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I call bullshite on anyone saying any of these guys having "character" issues
Not giving effort is 1000% a character issue. Either you have it in your character to give your all on every play or you don't.
This team's lack of effort is it's biggest problem.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:32 pm to bogeypro
Just about every loss this year boils down to 2 things: turnovers and defense. Bama doesn’t take care of the ball, especially our so called point guards. And we usually play one half of good defense per game. That’s why double digit leads evaporate and how you give up 54 points in the 2nd half of a game when you held the opponent to 28 in the first half. Lather, rinse, repeat.
And in a nutshell, both of those problems come down to focus and effort. All it takes is one or two players not giving 110% and not being mentally focused and the system breaks down. I think we have a couple of players on this roster more interested in themselves than the team. Hopefully they leave after a tournament appearance that I fully expect to be one and done.
There are some good building blocks for Oats to rebuild around next year and some really good incoming talent and hopefully some leadership from some guys like maybe Burnett to get better consistency.
And in a nutshell, both of those problems come down to focus and effort. All it takes is one or two players not giving 110% and not being mentally focused and the system breaks down. I think we have a couple of players on this roster more interested in themselves than the team. Hopefully they leave after a tournament appearance that I fully expect to be one and done.
There are some good building blocks for Oats to rebuild around next year and some really good incoming talent and hopefully some leadership from some guys like maybe Burnett to get better consistency.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 7:35 pm to bogeypro
Best coach we have had since Wimp. Anyone who says otherwise does not understand basketball. Is he John Wooden? No. Still has some growing to do. I trust he will improve but I would love to see the list of who can do better.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:31 am to bogeypro
This year wasn't his best coaching job. But, if anyone thinks Oats is "the problem," I invite you to return to any of the coaches we've had in the past 30 years. I'll take a 6 seed with this team.
I'll also remind some of you, I told you at the end of last season, this group would take step back on defense. And, that has been our biggest issue. This team had a lot of question marks from the beginning, and most of them proved to be issues.
I'll also remind some of you, I told you at the end of last season, this group would take step back on defense. And, that has been our biggest issue. This team had a lot of question marks from the beginning, and most of them proved to be issues.
This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 10:44 am
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:15 am to Teague
Yep
Posted on 3/14/22 at 11:00 am to RollTide4Ever
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Talent evaluation
I do question the talent evaluation, time will tell. I am not in favor of firing him at this point after all we still are a 6 seed in the NCAA with a a brutal schedule but the SEC play was very disappointing considering the hype coming into the season and his freshmen have underperfomed save Primo - but he was more of a role player last year.
Meanwhile, Pearl, who is extremely sleezy and shady recruitier, has hit 3 home runs in row with Okeke, Sharief Cooper, and now Jabari Smith - all stud freshmen who carried the teams. JD Davison nor Bediako were even close to this level.
This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 11:01 am
Posted on 3/14/22 at 11:07 am to SummerOfGeorge
This system is built on momentum runs both offensively and defensively. SEC officiating has been pretty bad/inconsistent in recent years.
There were WAY too many fouls in that Vandy game.
I think having different officials that will call a looser game will benefit us by keeping the clock rolling.
There were WAY too many fouls in that Vandy game.
I think having different officials that will call a looser game will benefit us by keeping the clock rolling.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 4:20 pm to mistaken4193
No 1 offense ??, but all the turnovers are on offense.
Its a problem dribble driving to the goal when the other teams Bigs can hang around the paint and wait for us to drive. Other than JD we have the same 2 primary ball handlers that we had last year (JQ and Shack). But last year they had to guard most of our players, which spread out their defense. Its not rocket science. Its a good thing we dont have to play TN again. They can put the D on you with quick feet and quick hands. And, their little point guard can break a defense down with his quickness. Plus he can shoot.
Its a problem dribble driving to the goal when the other teams Bigs can hang around the paint and wait for us to drive. Other than JD we have the same 2 primary ball handlers that we had last year (JQ and Shack). But last year they had to guard most of our players, which spread out their defense. Its not rocket science. Its a good thing we dont have to play TN again. They can put the D on you with quick feet and quick hands. And, their little point guard can break a defense down with his quickness. Plus he can shoot.
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