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re: Is it time to admit Nate Oates isn’t a good coach?
Posted on 1/25/22 at 10:19 pm to mistaken4193
Posted on 1/25/22 at 10:19 pm to mistaken4193
Shack came back for Shack. He doesn’t give a frick if Bama loses or wins, as long as he gets his 20 pts per game and a few shitty drives in the lane that end up with a prayer thrown at the rim. It’s as good as a turnover.
Quinerly I just don’t know. I think he’s mentally weak. Some think he’s shaving points. I won’t go that far but its funny how he always misses that crucial free throw or critical shot. At best, he’s slumping badly, shows no leadership, and is not helping the team.
Davison is not a great shooter and is a true freshman. Did you expect him to come in and be Kobe?
Gurley transferred in from a mid major and plays like a mid major player.
Bediako shows some skills in the paint but is young, raw, and inexperienced and is getting schooled on the defensive end by SEC big men and underutilized on the offensive end since he’s not standing behind the arc.
Ellis is a solid player but he’s just a good role guy.
Tchikou is a bust. Miles, Gary and Rojas stay hurt.
Oats needs to learn a hard lesson about his system: it’s great when it’s working but when it ain’t, you can’t beat Georgia. He’s a former math teacher, do the math. Thirty times zero is zero. It doesn’t matter how many open 3’s you take, if they aren’t falling, it’s an empty possession. So you don’t continue to take them. You run the offense with the goal of getting an open drive down the lane or work it to the guys down low for a HIGHER PERCENTAGE look. If the long shite ain’t falling, go for layups, dunks and putbacks instead. You also need to factor intangibles into your recruiting. Because this team is as barren of leadership and guts and an alpha as the Sahara desert.
I think Oats is a good coach and I have loved and supported Bama hoops since CM Newton was walking the sidelines. But Nate has to know that a great coach learns to adapt his system to the abilities of his players. If he needs an example, walk down the hallway.
Quinerly I just don’t know. I think he’s mentally weak. Some think he’s shaving points. I won’t go that far but its funny how he always misses that crucial free throw or critical shot. At best, he’s slumping badly, shows no leadership, and is not helping the team.
Davison is not a great shooter and is a true freshman. Did you expect him to come in and be Kobe?
Gurley transferred in from a mid major and plays like a mid major player.
Bediako shows some skills in the paint but is young, raw, and inexperienced and is getting schooled on the defensive end by SEC big men and underutilized on the offensive end since he’s not standing behind the arc.
Ellis is a solid player but he’s just a good role guy.
Tchikou is a bust. Miles, Gary and Rojas stay hurt.
Oats needs to learn a hard lesson about his system: it’s great when it’s working but when it ain’t, you can’t beat Georgia. He’s a former math teacher, do the math. Thirty times zero is zero. It doesn’t matter how many open 3’s you take, if they aren’t falling, it’s an empty possession. So you don’t continue to take them. You run the offense with the goal of getting an open drive down the lane or work it to the guys down low for a HIGHER PERCENTAGE look. If the long shite ain’t falling, go for layups, dunks and putbacks instead. You also need to factor intangibles into your recruiting. Because this team is as barren of leadership and guts and an alpha as the Sahara desert.
I think Oats is a good coach and I have loved and supported Bama hoops since CM Newton was walking the sidelines. But Nate has to know that a great coach learns to adapt his system to the abilities of his players. If he needs an example, walk down the hallway.
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Posted on 1/26/22 at 1:15 am to CaptSpaulding
He has some good players but so do most teams in the SEC. It seems like they haven't improved any from last year. I don't think he's on the hot seat but he needs to turn it up a notch.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 5:52 am to CrimsonPlanet
I honestly don’t think this Bama roster is great. Somewhere between solid and good and I think the hinge was JQ stepping up and becoming a true star. And he’s been terrible. In the meantime I’m not sure why this team doesn’t play through Keon Ellis a little bit more. He might not be the type to take the bull by the horns and just go do that but that might be where Oats could step in.
Bama still in a great spot under Oats and I think this team still has plenty of time to find itself.
Bama still in a great spot under Oats and I think this team still has plenty of time to find itself.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 6:07 am to auburnnyc94
We played great early on and got some breaks … unfortunately I think we have found ourselves . Just not a sense of urgency by most of the team. Got a couple that give you what they have every night but the majority , and ones we are counting on, do not . Just in a tough spot
Posted on 1/26/22 at 7:30 am to auburnnyc94
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In the meantime I’m not sure why this team doesn’t play through Keon Ellis a little bit more. He might not be the type to take the bull by the horns and just go do that but that might be where Oats could step in.
It's the question of the year
Posted on 1/26/22 at 7:45 am to Bear88
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Just not a sense of urgency by most of the team. Got a couple that give you what they have every night but the majority , and ones we are counting on, do not . Just in a tough spot
Coaching 101: Loafers belong on the bench.
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 7:58 am
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:27 am to Bamachief
Problem is a lack of leadership on the floor. We don’t have a Herb Jones out there. We don’t have one on the roster! Rojas is likely the closest thing we have. We need someone to step up and take charge!
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 8:36 am
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:30 am to UAgrad93
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Problem is a lack of leadership on the floor. We don’t have a Herb Jones out there.
100%
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:35 am to Pastor Mike
Nate has too many low IQ athletes on one roster. He recruited them so that is on him.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:52 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
If you have a leader on roster though, you can reel those guys in and bring their level up. Herb Jones was that guy last year. I think Rojas and maybe Gary are trying to be that guy, but some don’t want to buy in to it.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 10:22 am to Joka2kold
Oats recruited all of those loafers so it's on him more than the players. He is a good coach and he deserves to be roasted for the debacle thus far.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 10:51 am to Bamachief
Not going to say he's a bad coach, but he's doing a bad job with this team.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 11:17 am to Fells
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Oates is still learning, as is our young team. He has to reestablish the heart and passion last year's team had. Not any easy job.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 11:24 am to phil4bama
See, everything you've just posted might be valid. There's one problem - this team has gotten WORSE as the season has gone on. That is a coaching issue.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 12:10 pm to auburnnyc94
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by auburnnyc94
I honestly don’t think this Bama roster is great. Somewhere between solid and good and I think the hinge was JQ stepping up and becoming a true star. And he’s been terrible. In the meantime I’m not sure why this team doesn’t play through Keon Ellis a little bit more. He might not be the type to take the bull by the horns and just go do that but that might be where Oats could step in.
Bama still in a great spot under Oats and I think this team still has plenty of time to find itself
I can't help but laugh that the most rational, well informed post on a basketball thread on a Bama board is from an Auburn fan. The FoGs don't frick around.
This team has zero leadership. Quin has played inefficient and hasn't stepped up as a leader. Shack is still the same guy, just with more of a role, and Davisson is much more raw than people expected (2A Bama basketball with travel ball cancelled because covid, so not a huge surprise).
Ellis is our best player, but is an off ball player. Our front court just sucks. Bediako is sushi raw. Rojas tries, but is an offensive liability. And Gurley looks like a bust. Miles is improved, but still not a P5 starter level player.
Overall, our defense is terrible. We can't keep guys in front of us, get dominated in the post, and suck at grabbing things l rebounds and allowing second chance points.
I think it's funny the same people laughing at Auburn and Pearl last year, and saying Oats sucks and we should've gotten Pearl. Yes, it's been a disappointing season so far. If they don't get their shite together, they'll miss the tournament. That doesn't mean Oats is a shitty coach. But that's not something I'd expect a FOG to understand.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 12:24 pm to Joka2kold
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Nate Oats is an exceptional coach.
This has yet to be proven.
I think he's a good coach. How good? No one really knows yet. This team gives him an opportunity to prove how good he is. This much is certain: he hasn't yet proven himself to be everything that a lot of fans thought he was.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 3:45 pm to Bamachief
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Oates
Dead giveaway to who is an FOG and who isn’t. Real BasketBall fans know it’s “Oats”. All these FOGs on here and twitter that watch maybe 3 games a year still spell it “Oates”
Posted on 1/26/22 at 4:09 pm to lechateau
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He won the SEC season and title last year. I think he gets a season or two to work some things out
It seems posters here have forgotten that amazing achievement - in his 2nd year - as well as the fact that he brought in this fall possibly our best recruiting class in history - and my history of going to Alabama basketball games goes back to the early 1970's. We have small guards who struggle to defend SEC level players, and JD and JQ have lost confidence shooting. We are very weak inside, so we end up playing guys like Rojas and Gary, who are not ideal bigs, but they play strong. Keep the faith.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 4:15 pm to BamaGradinTn
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This has yet to be proven.
Does winning the SEC regular season and tournament title in his 2nd year, just last year, "prove" anything? Good grief! Bob Dylan sang "I'll know my song well before I start singing." Maybe study some Alabama basketball history before you post.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 5:15 pm to Bamachief
This season has been frustrating and about as bad as it could be, but these seasons happen in basketball, especially since transfers started being more prominent 5-7 years ago. Everyone has seasons like this. Literally everyone.
- Roy Williams at Carolina went 20-17 in 2010 and 14-19 in 2020
- Calipari at Kentucky went 21-12 in 2013 and 9-16 in 2021
- Pearl at Auburn went 13-14 in 2021
- Krzyzewski went 13-18 in 1995, 22-11 in 2007 and 13-11 in 2021
- Rick Barnes went 17-14 in 2020
- Tom Izzo went 20-15 in 2017 and 15-13 in 2021
- Jay Wright went 13-19 in 2012
- Billy Donovan went 24-12 and 25-11 (both NITs) in 2008 and 2009 inbetween the back to back titles and 4 straight Elite 8s/Final Four
- Tony Bennett is currently 12-8
- Juwan Howard is currently 9-7
- Matt Painter went 16-18 in 2013, 15-17 in 2014 and 16-15 in 2020
The list goes on and on. The constant roll over of a large majority of minutes in basketball can lead to years where, for whatever reason, your roster is devoid of leadership or fits and it all just kind of goes bad. Even the best, most consistent coaches in the country had a smattering of bad seasons sprinkled in where their roster that year just didn't gel and didn't work.
So, I'm certainly not going to write Oats off because of 1 up and down season where things went off the rails. However, if next year has similar issues, then clearly you have to start wondering what the deal is. But that hasn't happened yet, so there is no reason to talk in hypotheticals.
At this point it's just a team with a bunch of issues that he can't seem to figure out how to reach and fix. It happens. It's nauseating to watch, but it happens. Clearly they'll have to assess why it happened and how to prevent it via offseason, roster building, the way they coach, staff changes, whatever after the year ends. However, right now I'm sure they are just in absolute triage mode trying to shoot every bullet in their gun to find something to stop the bleeding.
- Roy Williams at Carolina went 20-17 in 2010 and 14-19 in 2020
- Calipari at Kentucky went 21-12 in 2013 and 9-16 in 2021
- Pearl at Auburn went 13-14 in 2021
- Krzyzewski went 13-18 in 1995, 22-11 in 2007 and 13-11 in 2021
- Rick Barnes went 17-14 in 2020
- Tom Izzo went 20-15 in 2017 and 15-13 in 2021
- Jay Wright went 13-19 in 2012
- Billy Donovan went 24-12 and 25-11 (both NITs) in 2008 and 2009 inbetween the back to back titles and 4 straight Elite 8s/Final Four
- Tony Bennett is currently 12-8
- Juwan Howard is currently 9-7
- Matt Painter went 16-18 in 2013, 15-17 in 2014 and 16-15 in 2020
The list goes on and on. The constant roll over of a large majority of minutes in basketball can lead to years where, for whatever reason, your roster is devoid of leadership or fits and it all just kind of goes bad. Even the best, most consistent coaches in the country had a smattering of bad seasons sprinkled in where their roster that year just didn't gel and didn't work.
So, I'm certainly not going to write Oats off because of 1 up and down season where things went off the rails. However, if next year has similar issues, then clearly you have to start wondering what the deal is. But that hasn't happened yet, so there is no reason to talk in hypotheticals.
At this point it's just a team with a bunch of issues that he can't seem to figure out how to reach and fix. It happens. It's nauseating to watch, but it happens. Clearly they'll have to assess why it happened and how to prevent it via offseason, roster building, the way they coach, staff changes, whatever after the year ends. However, right now I'm sure they are just in absolute triage mode trying to shoot every bullet in their gun to find something to stop the bleeding.
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 5:27 pm
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