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re: If Milroe was the starting QB, based on his speed, would you modify or change the offense
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:48 am to Carlton
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:48 am to Carlton
. Y'all are silly. I knew this would turn into a he doesn't throw well enough, Ty will win the job, remember the Jalen offense thing, a lot of you all have a real hard on for that. As I said from the beginning, where most of you have taken this is not the point of this thread. This thread is based on the elite speed and acceleration I saw yesterday, I felt Milroe has something special there, and possibly has elite game changing speed that defenses would have to game plan for or risk giving up large chunks of yards and house calls via QB run if it was incorporated into the offensive. Much more explosive stuff than chain movers like Hurts, Tebow or say Daniels at LSU currently.
I know some don't want to deal with a hypothetical and just believe it is impossible for him to start. That is fine. As I said before, I don't care who wins the job, unless they throw a lot of interceptions in practice.
That is why I said either imagine he has improved as a passer and/or there are no other QBs in the picture and Ty Simpson disappears into the Smokies after an experience with peyote. How would/should the offense change if any under Milroe?What would you do to maximize his talent? Do you see his talent on the ground or maybe you don't believe he offers anything by way of his legs that makes him that dangerous or can't be easily schemed to be stopped, that is not unreasonable.
But this question is not about where Milroe is now as a passer, what you want from QB, past QBs, what kind of QB you prefer, which QB you prefer on the roster, WR recruiting, etc. It is about how you perceive Milroe's running ability should he become a viable starting QB and how Bama would/should deploy it.
This post was edited on 9/25/22 at 8:19 am
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Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:55 am to Carlton
Running quarterbacks is a sensitive subject around here.
Jalen did develop as of a passer eventually. My opinion is Milroe is a better passer than Jalen now at this point. Another season and off season, let’s see where he is.
I like some of the things he does. I don’t have enough to look at to know what he can and can’t do. No one has enough to make that determination, it’s all speculation from garbage time and a limited playbook.
Jalen did develop as of a passer eventually. My opinion is Milroe is a better passer than Jalen now at this point. Another season and off season, let’s see where he is.
I like some of the things he does. I don’t have enough to look at to know what he can and can’t do. No one has enough to make that determination, it’s all speculation from garbage time and a limited playbook.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:56 am to Carlton
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But this question is not about where Milroe is now as a passer, what you want from QB, past QBs, what kind of QB you prefer, which QB you prefer on the roster, WR recruiting, etc. It is about how you perceive Milroe's running ability should he become a viable starting QB and how you would deploy it.
I think his running ability would be negated by the relative lack of a consistent passing game, especially vs the good defenses. Bottom line, I don't think we'd have as good an offense.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:03 am to C W
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Then they need to play Simpson first
Simpson is a true freshman. If the uspeakable happened this year Milroe would come in and the offense would look nothing like it does now.
Not to mention that if they played a true freshman ahead of him in the rotation, Milroe would probably hit the portal. Both of them are talented players, and we will need both of them next year.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:06 am to BLG
Spring drills should be very interesting from the QB position (lot of others as well). Nick has his work cut out for him. JMO Simpson will be the starter and Milroe will transfer out. Signing two QB's this cycle kind of leads you to believe Nick is planning on one leaving as well.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:14 am to BLG
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I think his running ability would be negated by the relative lack of a consistent passing game, especially vs the good defenses. Bottom line, I don't think we'd have as good an offense.
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That is why I said either imagine he has improved as a passer
No worries but again, I am not asking how good anyone thinks the offense will be, even though I know that guessing what that would look like under different QB options is a preferred subject of many. The question is based on either an accurate or inaccurate assessment of his running ability how would you modify the current offense or use him in the current offense to maximize his running threat.
And again based on some of the post this question has nothing to do with Ty, or any other QB. Milroe some how has the job in my scenerio.
This post was edited on 9/25/22 at 8:17 am
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:28 am to Carlton
In the event Milroe is not QB1 next season I'd like to see him at the RB position.
He's a larger version of Kenyan Drake and would be a handful for opposing defenses.
Jmo.
He's a larger version of Kenyan Drake and would be a handful for opposing defenses.
Jmo.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:37 am to Carlton
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The question is based on either an accurate or inaccurate assessment of his running ability how would you modify the current offense or use him in the current offense to maximize his running threat.
I'm not a fan of offenses that depend on the QB running frequently in games. The QB takes such a beating in those offenses. I liked watching the wishbone when Alabama ran it, but I can still recall when we were down to the 5th string QB in one game (seems like it was Jack O'Rear).
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:44 am to CrimsonBoz
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Jalen did develop as of a passer eventually. My opinion is Milroe is a better passer than Jalen now at this point
I disagree. By his second year Jalen was as good a thrower as Milroe, if not better. Jalen was dealing with first string defenses that gameplanned to stop him. Milroe is in garbage time.
Lets not forget that Jalen Hurts is one of the hardest working kids to come through this program. He improved every single year. If half the kids on the team had his same mentality we'd win every game by 30.
We can't expect every running QB that comes through here will be Jalen Hurts. There are a lot more Jimmy Johns than Jalens.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:47 am to Tupelo
The Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray offenses weren't dependent on the QB running heavily, they modified things to take advantage of the threat of the QB run to open up advantages in the running and passing games, while adding some predetermined QB runs. That is why I asked how you would deploy him, how much you would change if any, to maximize what he would give you with his speed?
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:48 am to Carlton
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My question is this, if he does win the starting job, do you revamp the offense to take advantage of his legs cause he is next level? I just saw that run and it reminded me of the 80 yard run by Derrick Henry against Arkansas his freshman year. It didn't mean anything at the time but it gave an early glimpse at how different an animal Derrick was/would become.
Remember when B.Young came in and was automatically going to beat out Mac? Most on this board thought that.
I think it’s like this with Saban and his QB’s You can have all the talent that can be gifted to you, but if you can’t lead, win your teammates over, over come fricking up when you make a bad play, don’t bitch and cry about what you think you deserve.
If Milroe can become a leader and a field general they can teach him the rest. No question on his talent. But can he lead his team when the shite hits the fan?
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:55 am to hwyman108
Man y'all take this in so many different directions. I think you have a valid point, but my post has nothing to do with how the job is won, who wins the job,.work ethic or leadership.
It has been said on several broadcast and published that Milroe is the fastest guy on the team. That never happens. He looked like he going at a different speed in that Vandy game.
I am just asking if ended up with starting QB job, what would be the best way to utilize him to maximize that threat? Or what would you do to maximize that threat or would you do nothing at all and have him run basically the BY or Mac setup?
Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:00 am to Carlton
If Milroe is the guy we might as well bring in Dan Mullen as the next OC for the two seasons Milroe will likely start.
This is a sensitive issue because if Ty Simpson is really going to be fantastic (he can run as well) we can't afford to test Milroe out and see Ty leave in the portal.
We have to be sure the guy is the guy.
This is a sensitive issue because if Ty Simpson is really going to be fantastic (he can run as well) we can't afford to test Milroe out and see Ty leave in the portal.
We have to be sure the guy is the guy.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:03 am to Carlton
What the kid has between the ears will make or break his future in Tuscaloosa. I'd like for them to give Simpson more actual game time (truly running the offense, AND trying to score) to see where his development is.
It could be an interesting off season coming up. I hope they BOTH rise to the occasion.
It could be an interesting off season coming up. I hope they BOTH rise to the occasion.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:11 am to YStar
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This is a sensitive issue because if Ty Simpson
I disagree. it isn't at least not what I'm asking which is a made up scenerio about offensive scheme, dependent on the perceived skill set of one guy that might not be accurate.
And the upcoming Ty/Milroe QB battle shouldn't be a sensitive issue either. We have no idea how these two will develop prior to next year camps and we should all be enough of adults to watch a QB battle and come to terms with who the coaches pick (although I know many here aren't
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Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:18 am to coachcrisp
I swear, no one in this thread understands a hypothetical situation.
I think the best analogy to Milroe in recent years is Blake Sims. From an offensive standpoint, if we could find a savant like Kiffin, or even someone in that neighborhood, who could scheme a running back split wide against a middle linebacker (see the 2014 Florida game as an example), I think we'd be a very dangerous offensive team.
I seriously doubt Milroe will ever be Mac Jones in terms of downfield accuracy, but if he's got open targets I think he could hit them with outstanding regularity. Offensive identify would need to be built off a strong run game, with heavy play-action passing to take advantage of linebackers (and maybe safeties) playing too close to the line of scrimmage.
Our run game would need to be primarily between the tackles, I think, to open up passing lanes. I don't see the need for a lot of screens, because Milroe's running ability should be enough to slow down the most aggressive blitzing options, but bubble screens might work well.
With an exceptionally fast WR and / or HB to take the top off defenses in the passing game, and Milroe's natural scrambling / running ability (I could see him averaging 100 yards rushing per game, whether he had any designed runs or not), we should be a tough out for almost any team, regardless of their defensive prowess.
I think the best analogy to Milroe in recent years is Blake Sims. From an offensive standpoint, if we could find a savant like Kiffin, or even someone in that neighborhood, who could scheme a running back split wide against a middle linebacker (see the 2014 Florida game as an example), I think we'd be a very dangerous offensive team.
I seriously doubt Milroe will ever be Mac Jones in terms of downfield accuracy, but if he's got open targets I think he could hit them with outstanding regularity. Offensive identify would need to be built off a strong run game, with heavy play-action passing to take advantage of linebackers (and maybe safeties) playing too close to the line of scrimmage.
Our run game would need to be primarily between the tackles, I think, to open up passing lanes. I don't see the need for a lot of screens, because Milroe's running ability should be enough to slow down the most aggressive blitzing options, but bubble screens might work well.
With an exceptionally fast WR and / or HB to take the top off defenses in the passing game, and Milroe's natural scrambling / running ability (I could see him averaging 100 yards rushing per game, whether he had any designed runs or not), we should be a tough out for almost any team, regardless of their defensive prowess.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:19 am to Carlton
So now that we have had at least some discussion as to how the offense might change with Milroe, what if Simpson is the qb. Would the offense necessarily need to change or could it possibly be the same or similar? I think it’s a good bet that O’Brien will not be here but I think the offense is basically what Saban wants it to be. Would it have to change much with Simpson?
Edit to answer my own question. I think the offense could be similar to what we run now and have run since Tua. I know it’s not exact same.
Edit to answer my own question. I think the offense could be similar to what we run now and have run since Tua. I know it’s not exact same.
This post was edited on 9/25/22 at 9:33 am
Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:38 am to Sauron
quote:I certainly see where you're coming from (can we say Nick Marshall?) And I don't see Milroe having the passing accuracy/timing that Jones, or Young have, but I also, believe that we can be just as successful with him (behind a good Oline) as we have been with past Natty QBs.
I swear, no one in this thread understands a hypothetical situation.
I still want to see Simpson in there with the opportunity to actually perform like a real QB trying to win the game, not just run the clock!
Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:45 am to C W
quote:Again, let's see the kid in action....his decision making, physical abilities (passing accuracy, arm strength and running ability).
So now that we have had at least some discussion as to how the offense might change with Milroe, what if Simpson is the qb. Would the offense necessarily need to change or could it possibly be the same or similar? I think it’s a good bet that O’Brien will not be here but I think the offense is basically what Saban wants it to be. Would it have to change much with Simpson?
Edit to answer my own question. I think the offense could be similar to what we run now and have run since Tua. I know it’s not exact same.
Personally, I haven't seen enough of him to be able to venture an opinion. Hell, he may be another Tom Brady!
Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:52 am to coachcrisp
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Hell, he may be another Tom Brady!
I know you're joking, but Simpson is a deceptively good athlete. He's a 4.75 40 guy with a 34ish inch vertical. He showed his scrambling ability a bit on A Day.
He might be a more athletic Mac Jones, but we haven't seen enough of his passing ability.
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