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re: Aaron Suttles on JOX. Jalen expected to redshirt
Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:29 pm to Evolved Simian
Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:29 pm to Evolved Simian
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:39 pm to bamasgot13
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:40 pm to Evolved Simian
It takes a man of low character to call another poster here human garbage. Let's chill on low blow moves like that. You are putting yourself on his level by responding like that imo. Uncalled for bro.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 6:16 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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I don't think this necessarily ends the potential for Jalen to transfer.
He still has two games to play, if Tua goes out for the season and Hurts is supposed to be the starter - he definitely won't worry about the red shirt thing.
Personally, I don't buy the 4 games as being an issue as far as Alabama is concerned. If it's in Alabama's best interests that Jalen play in 4 games or 15 games, that's what Alabama should do. If it means that he only has one year of eligibility left, so be it. And I'm not convinced Saban cares about that either. If Jalen plays the next two and then refuses to dress vs. ULL, then we'll know.
Maybe Saban will play him in the next two games, then put the ball in Jalen's court and make him make a decision about whether or not he's going to finish the season..
Posted on 9/11/18 at 1:29 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Personally, I don't buy the 4 games as being an issue as far as Alabama is concerned. If it's in Alabama's best interests that Jalen play in 4 games or 15 games, that's what Alabama should do. If it means that he only has one year of eligibility left, so be it.
Except Hurts would have the final say in that by refusing to play - Saban can't just ignore that fact and see what happens after game 4. At least knowing how involved he is in all possible outcomes and scenarios, I would be very, very surprised to hear he took that approach. I think Saban respects Hurts enough to acknowledge that what is best for Alabama may not be what is best for Hurts.
Personally I think he should respect and consider that reality as I'm of the opinion doing what is best for the players is in the programs best interest in the long run.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 1:30 pm to John Milner
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They may have wanted to give him a lot of reps in last weeks game because they plan on sitting him for the rest of the season unless Tua gets an injury - still gives you two games in case Tua gets a minor injury that needs a little bit of rest with Jalen still being able to use the redshirt.
In which case Mac Jones could have used more than handing it off mop up duty these first 2 games.
In my very hypothetical scenario - Mac Jones will get all remaining mop up duty outside of a Tua injury. There should hopefully be plenty of that to go around in the coming weeks.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:12 pm to John Milner
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In which case Mac Jones could have used more than handing it off mop up duty these first 2 games.
I mean, if it's going to be Jalen in the event of an injury then what difference does it make if Mac got reps in these two games?
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:09 pm to John Milner
Jalen Hurts' teammates are asked about him outside of just interviews with the media.
People close to them have gone from being curious about the Alabama quarterback competition to wanting to know about Hurts and his future with the Crimson Tide.
It seems like people inside the Alabama building still aren't about Hurts' thoughts on redshirting and whether that will end up happening. But players have consistently said the same thing about Hurts whenever he comes up, that they see him going about business as usual behind the scenes and that they very much respect how he's handling a difficult situation.
"He's a hard worker. He's a competitor. And he never complains," wide receiver Henry Ruggs said of Hurts. "He goes out and does what he has to do. Keeps a great spirit, and we work hard when we're together."
The hope for Nick Saban remains the same, that Hurts will be fine with playing in more than four games and sacrificing the year of eligibility in order for Alabama to have him as Tua Tagovailoa's backup and as someone that can potentially be used as a situational weapon.
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People close to them have gone from being curious about the Alabama quarterback competition to wanting to know about Hurts and his future with the Crimson Tide.
It seems like people inside the Alabama building still aren't about Hurts' thoughts on redshirting and whether that will end up happening. But players have consistently said the same thing about Hurts whenever he comes up, that they see him going about business as usual behind the scenes and that they very much respect how he's handling a difficult situation.
"He's a hard worker. He's a competitor. And he never complains," wide receiver Henry Ruggs said of Hurts. "He goes out and does what he has to do. Keeps a great spirit, and we work hard when we're together."
The hope for Nick Saban remains the same, that Hurts will be fine with playing in more than four games and sacrificing the year of eligibility in order for Alabama to have him as Tua Tagovailoa's backup and as someone that can potentially be used as a situational weapon.
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 6:42 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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In my very hypothetical scenario - Mac Jones will get all remaining mop up duty outside of a Tua injury. There should hopefully be plenty of that to go around in the coming weeks.
I believe Jalen should get all of the mop up duty reps and Mac should stay 3rd string. Throw the transfer rule out the window. I'd like to see Jalen start the 2nd series of the second half if we are up by say 3 scores. Give him the whole offense instead of handoffs.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:45 pm to John Milner
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It's all still TBD. And it's unclear if -- or how much -- coaches plan to use Hurts against Ole Miss on Saturday.
But to this point, the word is that Hurts has been his normal self behind the scenes while continuing to grow as a quarterback with help from new Tide QB coach Dan Enos.
"Jalen's a great teammate and I think he's handled everything great, whatever the coaches decide to throw at him and however it ends up playing out," Alabama left tackle Jonah Williams said. "So I think his leadership and his example of being a great teammate has been really great for us as a unit."
During the Tide's win over Arkansas State on Saturday, Hurts was Alabama's quarterback for four possessions -- three during the first half and one that began late in the third quarter. Three of those drives produced touchdowns.
The only negative for Hurts was a fumble near the goal line at the end of his first possession, a product of a hard hit while trying to get into the end zone. But Hurts bounced back with a nice 10-yard touchdown pass over the middle to Irv Smith on the next drive. He then threw another touchdown a minute later, a 7-yard strike to Jerry Jeudy over the middle that was perfectly on point despite Hurts getting hit as he was getting rid of the ball.
Hurts finished 7 of 9 for 93 yards with the two touchdown passes and no interceptions while also running for 32 yards on five carries.
It was a great overall showing.
While it surely wasn't easy being a backup for the first time in a game at Bryant-Denny Stadium, teammates respected Hurts' handling of the day. And the feeling inside the locker room is that Hurts has handled this whole process -- the competition, losing his job and all of the speculation about his future -- much better than people outside the program probably realize.
"(His handling of everything) shows that he's a great person," Ruggs said. "Like I said, he stays positive, never complains. He comes out and works hard, and we're behind him 100 percent."
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:51 pm to TidalSurge1
I really did like seeing Tua and him hug after his touchdown pass.. you can tell it was real. The team is really pulling for Jalen to do well.. and it has to be because of his attitude. Everyone knows Tua is a special talent and is the clear better player, but Jalen seems to have handled himself in a positive manner to the team. He just wants to prove he can play, so a decent team picks him up if he transfers. In doing so he is helping our team and accepting the back up role it seems. I’m starting to think a lot of insiders are just starting rumors.. and Jalen isn’t holding meetings or pushing back against Saban. He is keeping his head down and pushing forward the best he can.
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:09 am to BamaBo7
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While it surely wasn't easy being a backup for the first time in a game at Bryant-Denny Stadium, teammates respected Hurts' handling of the day. And the feeling inside the locker room is that Hurts has handled this whole process -- the competition, losing his job and all of the speculation about his future -- much better than people outside the program probably realize.
"(His handling of everything) shows that he's a great person," Ruggs said. "Like I said, he stays positive, never complains. He comes out and works hard, and we're behind him 100 percent."
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I’m starting to think a lot of insiders are just starting rumors.. and Jalen isn’t holding meetings or pushing back against Saban. He is keeping his head down and pushing forward the best he can.
I'd also like to think some of the folks on here who have vilified Hurts throughout this process will see the error of their ways and admit this, but I ain't holding my breath.
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Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:16 am to Sauron
Hurts' Dad started the whole fiasco, and then Jalen's speech, including "my responsibility is with my family and myself", and that he made for himself a brand, compounded the problem.
That's over, and neither of them have said more, lately, to fan the flames, but they really have nobody else to blame for starting it all.
That's over, and neither of them have said more, lately, to fan the flames, but they really have nobody else to blame for starting it all.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:29 am to Syd
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In my very hypothetical scenario - Mac Jones will get all remaining mop up duty outside of a Tua injury. There should hopefully be plenty of that to go around in the coming weeks.
I believe Jalen should get all of the mop up duty reps and Mac should stay 3rd string. Throw the transfer rule out the window. I'd like to see Jalen start the 2nd series of the second half if we are up by say 3 scores. Give him the whole offense instead of handoffs.
I agree, but that may not be what Jalen thinks is best for his career goals.
If the options are Jalen is "off the team" and transferring, or trying to keep him in reserve taking advantage of the transfer rules - i choose the latter.
ETA: This is all just random speculation so it doesn't really matter one way or the other - we will see how it plays out in a few days.
This post was edited on 9/12/18 at 9:31 am
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:12 am to John Milner
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Hurts' Dad started the whole fiasco, and then Jalen's speech, including "my responsibility is with my family and myself", and that he made for himself a brand, compounded the problem. That's over, and neither of them have said more, lately, to fan the flames, but they really have nobody else to blame for starting it all.
I agree that Jalen's dad is the genesis of the whole thing, but many fans on here have vilified Jalen as a result.
Some examples (just from this thread):
Imjustafatkid: "He should not be playing QB for Bama even as a backup."
Lovethelord: "The voices I'm hearing from inside (my head) say that Jalen was not the stand up guy that he portrayed himself to be last year. He was all humble pie, #blessed, when he was starting, but once he lost that job we began to see the real Jalen and the real Hurts parents. The apple usually doesn't land too far from the tree.
"On the sidelines I see a Jalen Hurts who isn't really that involved anymore and upon whose face false humility no longer covers aloofness. Saying stuff like he did in August, and holding team meetings where he tells people that he's got to do what's best for him, supposedly quitting the team and his dad saying he's going to be a free agent. This guy is poison."
LATIDER: "Hurts should be done for the sake of the team."
I understand that on a message board, we can all voice our opinions ... but to paraphrase Animal Farm, some opinions are just stupider than others.
This post was edited on 9/12/18 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:28 am to Sauron
Jalen has unfairly been criticized for what his dad said. He hasn't handled the situation perfectly but he hasn't handled it poorly either. If he wants to play all year then so be it. He looked good last week.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:36 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Saban can't just ignore that fact and see what happens after game 4. At least knowing how involved he is in all possible outcomes and scenarios, I would be very, very surprised to hear he took that approach. I think Saban respects Hurts enough to acknowledge that what is best for Alabama may not be what is best for Hurts.
Probably the most sensible analysis of this situation. Tua is the starter and Jalen is the #2. Saban really cannot control what Jalen is going to do. So lets just play Tua till we don't have to and then get Jalen snaps. We expect him to play all season and we are better with him. If he won't come out for a 5th game so be it. We are now getting into the meat of the SEC schedule and Nick is focused on winning games not molly coddling Jalen. We will play Jalen as much as possible but this is Tua's team now and if we need him to play 4 quarters to win that is what we will do. If don't have to then Jalen can get some reps. I think we just need to manage our offense like we normally would and forget all this nonsense. If Jalen's wants to bail to preserve his year, I wish him no ill will but its on him if he wants to be part of this team and help us win.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 1:12 pm to 14&Counting
I am liking the turn toward reasonable analysis of this situation in this thread (except for the usual suspects of course). I am interested to see how things go on the board after Jalen plays in his 4th game. It should be interesting. The false reports should keep things spicey.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 1:28 pm to Commander Data
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Jalen has unfairly been criticized for what his dad said. He hasn't handled the situation perfectly but he hasn't handled it poorly either. If he wants to play all year then so be it. He looked good last week.
Agree completely, we've seen time and again in sports that the parents speaking up for their kids doesn't work well. Jalen has made a couple mistakes, but has handled it very well overall for someone in that position and thus far he has stuck with the team, can't say the same about some of the qb's he beat out as a freshman.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 1:48 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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Agree completely, we've seen time and again in sports that the parents speaking up for their kids doesn't work well. Jalen has made a couple mistakes, but has handled it very well overall for someone in that position and thus far he has stuck with the team, can't say the same about some of the qb's he beat out as a freshman.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. What I am finding out more and more is that most of us are only able to surmise things based on rumors and tales from supposed insiders. We had heard just a week and a half ago that Jalen had held a self-called team meeting in which he told teammates that he had to do what was best for him and that last week he was talking about quitting the team. Those, if true, would not be signs of a good teammate. We all saw his interview in August and we know what his dad said and what his mom has said. So...
Now we hear that he wants to stay with the team and doesn't want to red-shirt, etc. A teammate recently was interviewed and spoke highly of how Jalen is handling things. If these things are true, then perhaps he is a better teammate than given credit for earlier.
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