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Posted on 10/20/19 at 10:40 am to frogtown
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We have open receivers but Fromm bypasses them and hits the check down instead. I believe Kirby and Coley have Fromm shell-shocked. They have it beaten into his head not to take chances/not to make mistakes. We can throw only safe passes and still be dominant and win.
I just watched the Clemson game. More than half of TL's production is a direct result of trusting his receivers, and he doesn't have to worry because he knows the coaches trust him. It'd be such a breath of fresh air to see a little of that mindset in Athens.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 10:49 am to chillmonster
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This isn't on the receivers. Just stop it.
BS.I wasn't at the game yesterday so I couldn't really see but it was certainly the case vs SC.We were throwing in some unbelievably tight spaces...separation was a issue.
Not sure if it's the scheme or not but we didn't even try yesterday and it was an issue according to folks who I talked to who were at the game.
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Posted on 10/20/19 at 11:00 am to RD Dawg
Some people get fixated on their "solution" to a problem and lose sight of the fact that there are often multiple problems. Coaching is an issue (some of us foresaw that as soon as Chaney left), game planning is an issue, playcalling is an issue, receiver experience is an issue, receiver skillset is an issue, Fromm's tendencies are an issue, OL injuries are an issue, Kirby's meddling in the offense is an issue. Probably more.
It's still a pretty good offense with plenty of talent, but obviously not as good as it could be and this isn't a one step fix.
It's still a pretty good offense with plenty of talent, but obviously not as good as it could be and this isn't a one step fix.
This post was edited on 10/20/19 at 11:04 am
Posted on 10/20/19 at 11:04 am to RD Dawg
You cant gauge a passing game on last night. The conditions were terrible.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 11:34 am to Walkthedawg
Florida and USC faced similar conditions and they performed well. Smart and Coley don't scheme well.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 12:09 pm to RD Dawg
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BS.I wasn't at the game yesterday so I couldn't really see but it was certainly the case vs SC.We were throwing in some unbelievably tight spaces.Seperation was a big issue.
I watched every single offensive play vs SCe 3 times or more - most back to back to watch the blocking, the routes, and Fromm.
Its not on the receivers. They make some mistakes, but perfection isn't the standard.
Throws aren't coming fast enough and Fromm isn't decisive. He's either hesitant, zoned in on one receiver, or simply unwilling to take a risk. The most decisiveness is when he decides to throw the ball away.
He's had games where this wasn't the case, and he shined in those. ND was one. Now he wasn't perfect there either (couple misses, late throws, and throws to the wrong guy), but perfection is not the standard.
This post was edited on 10/20/19 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 10/20/19 at 12:47 pm to chillmonster
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I expect both to improve Saturday.
That won't help. It's the Saturday after that I'm worried about.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 3:40 pm to AlaCowboy
So, our opponents defense 'stacks the box' with extra players leaving our receivers against only 'man to man' - and still no separation. Coaching issue.
I also saw D-Rob simply stop his route and stand there (at least 3 times) once he knew the ball wasn't coming his way.
I also saw D-Rob simply stop his route and stand there (at least 3 times) once he knew the ball wasn't coming his way.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 4:11 pm to superdawg
The WR suck... we hear every offseason, Oh Matt Landers this and Tommy Bush that...DRob has plenty of experience. The bad coaching along with lack of talent is killing us. Next year we will have experienced WR but young line/Qb, etc. it’s always something with this team.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 4:32 pm to GaDawg9977
Tommy Bush is hurt so that’s a little unfair to bring him up. I get your overall point though.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 6:11 pm to RD Dawg
If the press coverage is that bad then the receiver needs to put his head down and spear the defender in the neck off the LOS, knock him down, and run wide open.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 9:44 pm to wdhalgren
A good WR pattern causes the DB to commit one way or the other. When he commits he turns his hips and the WR then breaks away and puts some distance from the DB, and the ball should already be on the way. This is not happening with our WRs, so Fromm isn't throwing the ball.
Anyone got another theory?
Anyone got another theory?
Posted on 10/20/19 at 9:53 pm to Walkthedawg
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You cant gauge a passing game on last night. The conditions were terrible.
I don’t gauge anything but playcalls and scheme on last night. There is no reason we don’t call toss sweeps and get our backs to the edge to make a move. Running between the guards and failing gets old. The 4TH down call, should’ve been a toss sweep or PA. Five linemen and two tight ends ain’t blocking eleven. UGA has speed and shifty back and should pick up 80+% of fourth down conversions.
Play calling is the problem. Coley needs his arse beat if he thinks he earned his check.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:25 am to ugastreaker
We didn't want to toss anything on Saturday. Not even a snap for a field goal.
We were able to run at the edges without tossing the ball. Putting it in Swifts belly gets the job done just as well.
We were able to run at the edges without tossing the ball. Putting it in Swifts belly gets the job done just as well.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:46 am to chillmonster
So a guy that has proven to make every legitimate throw needed to be in the NFL, is also supposed to make wide receivers come open? Got it.
The guys aren't open. I hate to break it to you. Watching tape and knowing what you're looking for are different things obviously. You can watch it 10x for that matter but you have to know what you're looking at. THERE IS NOBODY OPEN! His throws aren't quick or decisive enough? Half the time this fan base beats him up for getting the ball out to quickly. You want him to wait for the receiver to come open? They run a route and stop--there's no help coming back to the ball. There's no getting up the seam. He looks like The Statue of Liberty so many times this year because he has the time and NOBODY open to throw it to. You want him to take a risk? He threw his 'only' ball to Pickens in the SC game and it turned out to be a pick 6. Was that not risky enough for you? You got receivers out here needing 3 yards running 2 yard routes. You got receivers catching balls at the 1st down line and giving up ground instead of getting beyond the sticks. And it's funny you mention he's only decisive when he throws it away...because he hasn't thrown the ball away much. He took bad sacks vs. SC because he didn't just throw into the 2nd row.
Fromm led the drive, by passing, to tie the game vs. SC; he drove us down to win the game vs. ND. The kid can play. Since you want to watch film, go back and watch highlights of Fromm and watch his receivers MAKE plays. Holloman and Ridley making circus catches at Mizzou; Nauta making tough grabs up the seam vs. BAMA; Holloman highpointing the ball vs. UF and GT. The only one that has done that consistently is Cager and he has to because even he hasn't created separation.
Everyone wants everything. They want him to take shots down field. He forces it down field and takes shots into double coverage or tight areas, he's a terrible QB. He takes what's given and drives us down the field, he's not risky enough.
This ENTIRE team can be better from players execution to coaching strategies. They should be better. And hopefully will be better.
The guys aren't open. I hate to break it to you. Watching tape and knowing what you're looking for are different things obviously. You can watch it 10x for that matter but you have to know what you're looking at. THERE IS NOBODY OPEN! His throws aren't quick or decisive enough? Half the time this fan base beats him up for getting the ball out to quickly. You want him to wait for the receiver to come open? They run a route and stop--there's no help coming back to the ball. There's no getting up the seam. He looks like The Statue of Liberty so many times this year because he has the time and NOBODY open to throw it to. You want him to take a risk? He threw his 'only' ball to Pickens in the SC game and it turned out to be a pick 6. Was that not risky enough for you? You got receivers out here needing 3 yards running 2 yard routes. You got receivers catching balls at the 1st down line and giving up ground instead of getting beyond the sticks. And it's funny you mention he's only decisive when he throws it away...because he hasn't thrown the ball away much. He took bad sacks vs. SC because he didn't just throw into the 2nd row.
Fromm led the drive, by passing, to tie the game vs. SC; he drove us down to win the game vs. ND. The kid can play. Since you want to watch film, go back and watch highlights of Fromm and watch his receivers MAKE plays. Holloman and Ridley making circus catches at Mizzou; Nauta making tough grabs up the seam vs. BAMA; Holloman highpointing the ball vs. UF and GT. The only one that has done that consistently is Cager and he has to because even he hasn't created separation.
Everyone wants everything. They want him to take shots down field. He forces it down field and takes shots into double coverage or tight areas, he's a terrible QB. He takes what's given and drives us down the field, he's not risky enough.
This ENTIRE team can be better from players execution to coaching strategies. They should be better. And hopefully will be better.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 9:03 am to AlaCowboy
What you describe is a lack of timing/synchronization between Fromm and his receivers. Our best and most experienced receiver, Cager, is injured. If you watch NFL teams like, New England, it doesn't take much separation to have an effective passing game as long as the ball is zipped into the receivers body on time.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 11:06 am to NCDawg52
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our biggest problem is that we don’t have an offensive philosophy at all.
Not having a philosophy *is* a philosophy - nihilism. Maybe not the best one for sports, but hey....
Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:53 pm to CBBDawg316
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So a guy that has proven to make every legitimate throw needed to be in the NFL, is also supposed to make wide receivers come open? Got it.
I don't know why people do this. Don't put words in my mouth just so you can say they're wrong.
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The guys aren't open. I hate to break it to you. Watching tape and knowing what you're looking for are different things obviously. You can watch it 10x for that matter but you have to know what you're looking at.
In other words, you haven't watched the tape. Got it. (See how that works? Thing is, however, I know what I'm looking at and you probably didn't watch the tape.)
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Everyone wants everything. They want him to take shots down field. He forces it down field and takes shots into double coverage or tight areas, he's a terrible QB. He takes what's given and drives us down the field, he's not risky enough.
Perfection isn't the standard. Hit open guys quicker, look off coverages, throw a couple of 50/50 balls, and work the ball over the middle to put pressure on LBs and safeties. JF had proven he can do these things, but can he do them consistently?
More than that, you don't need to be perfect. It's ok to throw a pick every now and then (even though its never ideal) as long as you consistently put pressure on the defense and win many more than you lose, and there's a lot more room to take risks. What's better 8td-0int or 16tds-3int?
Here's the main thing. Why TF are so many people coddling Fromm? It's a fact that he has room to improve, and a lot of us want to see him play to his potential.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:53 pm to CBBDawg316
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What you describe is a lack of timing/synchronization between Fromm and his receivers. Our best and most experienced receiver, Cager, is injured. If you watch NFL teams like, New England, it doesn't take much separation to have an effective passing game as long as the ball is zipped into the receivers body on time.
NFL? Just look at Bama or LSU.
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 3:07 pm
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