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If your energy bills skyrocket and you don't have fresh water anymore, are you really gonna give a frick about AI?

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I'm not aware of how much AI development will impact energy costs and water, but it may also bring advances that could help with those problems. I do believe that AI may be the single most important factor in national security going forward. I think it's extremely important that we not fall behind.

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Muh Russia

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It seems to be more China from what I've seen.

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An October 2025 CGTN [my ed: China Global Television Network] video, for example, states that "energy-hungry data centers that have sprung up due to AI investments" are "sadly" causing a "major spike in energy prices," particularly "on the West Coast, Mid-Atlantic, and New England." Last month, a China Daily piece, headlined "AI boom sends electricity bills in US skyrocketing," quoted a Siena University economics professor, Aaron Pacitti, to argue that "electricity prices in the United States are emerging as a new source of economic strain" due to "surging power demand from data centers." China's Global Times followed suit earlier this month, lamenting data centers' "high energy consumption."

"Data centers, stacked with thousands of servers, are a major devourer of energy," a narrator that appears to be AI-generated says in the CGTN video. "This, combined with America's older grid and rebuilding cost, has raised prices."

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At the same time, Beijing is encouraging U.S. movements aimed at voluntarily restraining American tech innovation—and is gaining momentum among progressives on Capitol Hill.

A group of lawmakers, including Sanders and Reps. Pramila Jayapal (D., Wash.) and Maxwell Frost (D., Fla.), are backing a proposal from the left-wing environmental group Food and Water Watch to enact a nationwide moratorium on new data centers, Politico reported. Sanders, meanwhile, is set to participate in a Wednesday discussion on "the existential threat of AI" that will also feature two CCP-backed academics. One of them, Xue Lan, is a professor at Tsinghua University, a CCP-affiliated school that conducts research for China's military. The other, Zeng Yi, serves as the dean of the Beijing Institute of AI Safety and Governance.

"Instead of harnessing American innovation, Senator Sanders is inviting foreign nationals to tell the United States how to regulate AI," Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said in response to the Sanders event. "It would be like channeling Hugo Chavez to get advice on how to run our economy—oh wait, the Senator from Vermont did that 20 years ago, too."

Sanders's office did not respond to a request for comment.

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This is from an artice on freebeacon.com called "Chinese Propaganda Outlets Jump Into Crusade Against Data Centers as Beijing Races To Achieve AI Supremacy". If you don't trust the source, that's fine with me because I never trust anything I read or hear. But those are some statements that can be researched for accuracy if you're interested in some meaningful pushback.

I've read recently that China and Russia are promoting US campaigns against AI data centers. If true, we'll probably see a lot more controversy about this subject.

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But the dims said that Iran was not close to a bomb

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Actually, Tulsi Gabbard said that in testimony before Congress.

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Why do you post things that are false? Are you this desperate to discredit the US war against Iran that you claim to support? Gabbard never said Iran "was not close to a bomb". What she said, in that March 2025 statement to Congress, was that they weren't currently building a bomb. And she also said, "Iran’s enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons." Which meant that once they started to assemble a bomb, or bombs, it could potentially be done in a few months, maybe even a few weeks.

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And then Trump said that we have "obliterated" their nuclear program.

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Which was said to mislead Iran about US intentions. The original strike was to delay Iran's ability to assemble a bomb while the US and Israel planned and mobilized forces for a more definitive solution.

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It would also not surprise me if certain democrats were behind it.

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I would be surprised if some Western entities (US based or otherwise) aren't giving Iran support and advice.

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So, Iran is annexing territory through military conquest. That is what you are saying.

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Hezbollah already controls parts of Lebanon, particularly Shia dominated areas in the south which they use to attack Israel. Up until this conflict interrupted their Iranian support, the Lebanese government was afraid to oppose them. That's an invasion and a de facto annexation. Iran has as many as 40 other militia in the middle eastern countries, infiltrating the governments and recruiting more fighters. Up until recently, Hamas controlled the Gaza strip. Iranian-backed militia conrol parts of Iraq, and are waging war on Iran's behalf from there. The Houthis control much of northern Yemen, including the capital, and are threatening to attack shipping in the Red Sea from Yemen territory. Iran has now laid claim to control and regulate all traffic passing through international waters in the strait of Hormuz, and thus the entire Persian Gulf. That's been a longstanding goal, way before this past year.

That's not a defensive posture; it's an offensive and expansionary posture

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We will immediately strike French and British warships if they approach the Strait of Hormuz

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That would be dumb. France and Britain are closer to an ally than an enemy of Iran.

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Do we include the militias that we support, all across the globe, as part of our military? Keep up baw.

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You said that Iran doesn't show "any inclination to expand outside their borders or build a military that could." They've alread shown an inclination to expand outside their borders, all over the world. Those Middle eastern militia are funded by the IRCG. The IRCG and the Quds force have been operating in South America. That's a military projection of power, not a defensive posture and it's absolutely expanded outside their borders.

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Did you read the goddamned title of the thread????

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You're obviously getting upset Roger, and it's not helping you think logically or communicate. I read the title and the thread, and I understand the context. It's obviously not about North Korea, because they already have nuclear weapons. It's not about Israel, because they don't make decisions for the US. It's not about whether Iran wants nuclear weapons, or why they want nuclear weapons; both answers are known and don't require debate. The topic is whether we should allow Iran to have nukes. It's about the ongoing conflict that's being constantly discussed on this board. That's why the OP brought Iran into the debate in the 2nd sentence.

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We are on topic.

Are nukes deterrents or not?

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That's not the topic. The topic is should the US prevent Iran from having nuclear weapons. That's the context of this thread.