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re: COVID Spike at UGA
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:58 am to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:58 am to fibonaccisquared
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Now the rollout plan left a lot to be desired,
I thought it went swimmingly. If anything, [put on foil hat] the FDA and/or Big Pharma sandbagged a few weeks until after the election... couldn't very well have a vaccine available before that, no sir.
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Posted on 9/16/21 at 12:11 pm to Whiznot
It's almost like ... like .... many more old people live in rural areas, and old people are the the most at-risk... even when vaxxed. Oh, and those rural counties are usually red. Just so you know.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 12:13 pm to deeprig9
Also, what about all those overwhelmed hospital morgues in the big cities with all those Biden voters? Did that not happen?
Posted on 9/16/21 at 12:23 pm to fibonaccisquared
quote:Yeah, whatever guy. The Democrats bashed Trump for everything he did, no matter how sincere he was or how beneficial it was. The Dems sewed mistrust in the vaccines from the beginning, saying that they didn't trust Trump or his administration's handling of anything COVID related, especially a rushed-to-market vaccine. He got no grace from them. He got very little praise from them for anything, and when he touted the work to bring the vaccines to market in record time, the Dems attacked him for rushing it. That's all on record. He didn't even get praise for it when they decided to take it.
This isn't meant to be a support of Biden or a slam on Trump, simply that you're drawing conclusions that aren't supported by the context of the statements made. People are allowed to be hesitant and change their minds as science and data comes in to deter or alleviate that hesitancy... that *should* be the default state for most scenarios. Acting as though someone changing their position due to new or additional information is somehow a negative is perhaps why we see so much bull shite from both polar ends of nearly every political topic... not just here but everywhere.
This wasn't some neutral "trust the science" stuff. They were attacking Trump's optimism and the process to bring the vaccines to the public and then were all happy as clams to be vaccinated after Trump lost the election. The MSM did the same, leading to polls showing that the vast majority of Democrats were hesitant to take the vaccine while the vast majority of Republicans weren't. It was political, but believe what you want.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 2:22 pm to deeprig9
Trump voters are more likely to consider COVID a hoax. Many go without masks and shun the vaccine. Trump was booed in Alabama when he advocated vaccination. It true that Trump voters tend to be older, less educated and rural.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 2:29 pm to Whiznot
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Trump voters are more likely to consider COVID a hoax. Many go without masks and shun the vaccine. Trump was booed in Alabama when he advocated vaccination. It true that Trump voters tend to be older, less educated and rural
Where did you read this baseless conspiracy theory?
Posted on 9/16/21 at 3:04 pm to Peter Buck
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Trump voters are more likely to consider COVID a hoax. Many go without masks and shun the vaccine. Trump was booed in Alabama when he advocated vaccination. It true that Trump voters tend to be older, less educated and rural
Where did you read this baseless conspiracy theory?
He didnt. He is making shite up.
Trump got 74,200,000 votes in the 2020 election. It is a lie to state that trump voters tend to be rural.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 3:09 pm to deeprig9
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put on foil hat
Quality action script 
To be fair, it's not like it was a week later... it got emergency use authorization a month later. One would think if that was the hold up, that it might have been announced pre-thanksgiving, but maybe my tin foil hat isn't on tight enough.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 3:20 pm to FooManChoo
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That's all on record.
If you're saying that Dems and/or MSM bashing Trump is on record, who are you arguing with? No one said anything to the contrary. As a matter of fact, I basically agreed with you. But explicitly, when asked, Biden and every other Dem I saw comment publicly said essentially the same thing: "I will trust the scientists and the FDA when it comes to Vaccine approval, not Donald Trump"
If there is an abundance of differing opinions/commentary that were made publicly, I'm saying I didn't see or hear them, but happy to take a look if you link to something other than an opinion piece.
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He didn't even get praise for it when they decided to take it.
See above. I literally just said I think Trump got nowhere near enough credit for pushing the thinking toward moving faster. I've made no bones that I wasn't a fan of Trump personally, but I also am not a huge fan of Biden either, and I think we're seeing it play out that he was a pretty meh option too. But that doesn't mean I can't acknowledge the positives. Far too many people on here and elsewhere seem to make the assumption that if you're Anti-[my guy], you're pro the extreme opposite. There's a whole lot of people who are left in the middle as both parties skew toward their respective extremes.
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They were attacking Trump's optimism
To be fair, Trump did a poor job of rationalizing his optimism. When all you do is talk about how you have the "best X" and the "greatest Y", despite not actually having the evidence to back that up frequently, then the overt optimism comes off as more grandstanding bluster than grounded in reality. Right/Wrong/Indifferent, Trump's personality never was going to mesh with everyone, and it doesn't hurt that he's basically been a "if you don't see it my way I really don't give a shite about you as a human being" public personality (may be inaccurate in reality, but it's the general public perception coming from his tv show and campaign/interview style).
Posted on 9/16/21 at 3:34 pm to fibonaccisquared
A pandemic in an election year is going to screw whoever is in charge. Just too much ammo and uncertainty.
That said, i blame the shitshow at the border, the abortion clinic handling of covid, and the deaths of 13 soldiers and a disgraceful, leave them behind withdrawal dumpsterfire, not on Biden but those who voted for him.
That said, i blame the shitshow at the border, the abortion clinic handling of covid, and the deaths of 13 soldiers and a disgraceful, leave them behind withdrawal dumpsterfire, not on Biden but those who voted for him.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 5:34 pm to fibonaccisquared
"The rollout plan left a lot to be desired" is what you said that I challenged, you haven't backed yourself up on that one yet because I gave you a comic out.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 6:26 pm to meansonny
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It is a lie to state that trump voters tend to be rural.
Not according to deeprig.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 7:45 pm to Whiznot
Subject and predicate matters.
Trump supporters tend to be rural.
Rural voters tend to be trump supporters.
One of the above statements is factual and the other one isnt.
Trump supporters tend to be rural.
Rural voters tend to be trump supporters.
One of the above statements is factual and the other one isnt.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 8:08 pm to fibonaccisquared
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There's a whole lot of people who are left in the middle as both parties skew toward their respective extremes.
This guy gets it.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:12 pm to retooc
Seems to me that the people not getting vaccinated fall into 3 camps:
1. People concerned about the rushed nature of the vaccine and possible unknown long term side effects. If they’re in a low risk group why take the chance?
2. People who think anything peddled by the govt this hard isn’t to be trusted and should be avoided. They’re suspicious but also agree with #1.
3. The people that are dysfunctional and can’t operate in organized society. If you can’t hold down a job or pay your bills getting a vaccine doesn’t hit the radar.
These categories are bipartisan. Politicizing vaccine participation is a symptom of a fricked up society. It also causes everyone to posture against the other group and get defensive. This is by design as politics is comprised of getting one tribe to support you and hate the other tribe. This is why the vaccinated are being told they’re at risk from the unvaccinated.
BTW I got vaccinated for my own reasons but don’t fault anyone for not doing it. It’s a personal choice. I didn’t get my 14 yr old son vaccinated and he’s COVID positive now with minimal symptoms. God willing he’ll be through it in 10 days and have natural immunity.
1. People concerned about the rushed nature of the vaccine and possible unknown long term side effects. If they’re in a low risk group why take the chance?
2. People who think anything peddled by the govt this hard isn’t to be trusted and should be avoided. They’re suspicious but also agree with #1.
3. The people that are dysfunctional and can’t operate in organized society. If you can’t hold down a job or pay your bills getting a vaccine doesn’t hit the radar.
These categories are bipartisan. Politicizing vaccine participation is a symptom of a fricked up society. It also causes everyone to posture against the other group and get defensive. This is by design as politics is comprised of getting one tribe to support you and hate the other tribe. This is why the vaccinated are being told they’re at risk from the unvaccinated.
BTW I got vaccinated for my own reasons but don’t fault anyone for not doing it. It’s a personal choice. I didn’t get my 14 yr old son vaccinated and he’s COVID positive now with minimal symptoms. God willing he’ll be through it in 10 days and have natural immunity.
This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 9/17/21 at 1:05 am to Whiznot
Rural in general Counties along with Hispanic are the two greatest unvaccinated groups by % followed by African American.
Find a rural county with lots of Hispanics and you get a very low rate (Echols for example -15%).
Find a rural county heavy African American (Calhoun County 18%)
A Cobb County that is voter based almost neutral with 42% vax.
Gwinnett County with an an almost neutral party make up at 34% due to a larger African American and Hispanic % than Cobb.
Dekalb County - Heavy Dem also at 34%. (African American heavy)
Fayette County with a Republican lean (36%) larger white population % than other metro.
Heavy white, rural and Republican Fannin County (24%)
I would say Georgia’s lower vax rate is greater caused by race and density than it is party line.
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Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:34 am to deeprig9
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"The rollout plan left a lot to be desired" is what you said that I challenged, you haven't backed yourself up on that one yet because I gave you a comic out.
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I thought it went swimmingly. If anything, [put on foil hat] the FDA and/or Big Pharma sandbagged a few weeks until after the election... couldn't very well have a vaccine available before that, no sir.
What is it that you felt I needed to backup? You gave a comical (one would presume) take that the vaccine approval was somehow delayed intentionally to be after the election, but it wasn't given emergency use authorization for a full month afterwards. If we were talking about a few days or a week, maybe I'd buy that someone was dragging their feet, but a month is unlikely given the state of things and how bad they expected the holiday season/travel to cause a spike.
Independent of that, my comment was about the actual logistical rollout of the vaccine delivery. As I said, it looked like a pretty clear reflection of Trump's camp focused on election and the election results and pretty much being ok with leaving everything in a state of disarray on the way out, as is frequently the case with an outbound president, particularly when the opposite party is taking over the office.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:58 am to fibonaccisquared
We need someone to record these arguments and play them on an endless loop ... as nothing has changed in the last 3 months regarding the arguments or opinions.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 12:11 pm to MacDawg
Well, the dems have killed 13 service people, destroyed our reputation globally, and further f'd up the border in the last 3 months...
Posted on 9/17/21 at 12:13 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Independent of that, my comment was about the actual logistical rollout of the vaccine delivery. As I said, it looked like a pretty clear reflection of Trump's camp focused on election and the election results and pretty much being ok with leaving everything in a state of disarray on the way out, as is frequently the case with an outbound president, particularly when the opposite party is taking over the office.
I worked, professionally, last year on Operation Warp Speed, specifically on the logistics side, specifically this project.. I have inside opinions on the matter. I am curious about what you see from the outside looking in. What disarray? What missteps do you think were taken? Please be specific.
This post was edited on 9/17/21 at 12:19 pm
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