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Posted on 9/14/21 at 12:48 pm to deeprig9
Posted on 9/14/21 at 12:48 pm to deeprig9
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Fact time:
#1- Ivermectin is approved by the FDA for use in humans, and is used globally, billions of doses. It's a fact.
#2- Ivermectin is safe enough to be sold over the counter. It's a fact.
#3- Ivermectin is not approved for off-label uses, such as anti-viral.
Okay? I'm fully aware of all of the above and am in no disagreement other than on point two. Yes, it's generally safe; however, the doses being cited in studies as effective against Covid-19 are neither readily available over the counter, nor clinically proven to be safe for human consumption, particularly with regard to long-term prophylactic use.
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Opinion- I see no difference between a person buying Hall's Honey-Menthol cough drops for the flu and a person buying Ivermectin for covid. Both are basically harmless and both basically have minimal studies showing they help anything (that may change with Ivermectin eventually). Sure a moron could OD on Ivermectin the same as a moron can choke to death on cough drops.
Yep.
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-Question Part 1: Why are people going absolutely apeshit over a small subset of people who want to take ivermectin?
I think the issue is that it's being touted as a viable option with far greater efficacy than there is actual evidence for. And this becomes a problem because many people who have neither been vaccinated nor previously infected are sitting back planning on this being their line of defense if/when they do contract the virus because some radio show host told them it was the shite.
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-Question Part 2: Why are these the usual suspects that are going apeshit about it? It's one very specific group of people who are perturbed about it. A reasonable person would see a story about it and think "ok, go take your dewormer, whatever" but these people, these people get down right angry about it. It's very strange.
I'm not angry about it, so not sure if you're trying to lump me in in some way. I absolutely don't care if somebody decides this is what they want to do. I know a few myself. It's stupid, but they're free to do "them". Doesn't bother me at all. I was simply pointing out that it's been erroneously referred to as an anti-viral in this thread at least three times (I'm sure many more, but I don't care enough to look back that far).
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Posted on 9/14/21 at 12:50 pm to RealDawg
quote:This has been discussed countless times.
Meanwhile..what is the harm again in getting the vaccine?
- mRNA gene therapy and spike protein forcing is experimental and we absolutely do not know the potential longterm ramifications of its safety and possible side effects.
What if it turns out a longterm side effect is women vaccinated when they were children are infertile as adults?
What if men lose libido/sperm count, contract ED, Low-T, or prostate disfunction, or even complete sterilization?
Cancer? Who knows because there hasn’t possibly been time to study and see.
What if children born from vaccinated parents, have the spike proteins and mRNA new gene sequences passed on to them, and it has horrible side effects on adolescent hormone development. Inflammation during incredibly important periods of development that causes horrible shite like autism, MS, stunted growth, or neurological disorders leading to ADHD or depression?
Or, maybe it’s just miscarriage after miscarriage after miscarriage. The point is there has been virtually no time to actually study this even in the short-term, much less the long-term.
- the spike protein is currently spreading in some people and causing localized or even widespread inflammation in the body, to the point that even healthy adolescents, athletes, and adults with no preexisting conditions, are contracting things like myocarditis, early onset heart disease, irregular menstruation, polio-like temporary and even permanent paralysis and loss or reduction of certain motor functions, chronic migraines, chronic joint and nerve pain (most notably sciatic), skin rashes/disorders, renal and respiratory disfunction or reduced capacity, and even onset arthritis.
Eric Clapton (interview link), one of the greatest guitarists and musicians of all time, currently can’t play the guitar and isn’t sure he ever will be able to again because his hands stopped functioning properly within hours of getting his 2nd shot.
- the mRNA/spike protein is hurting/diminishing/causing a disruption of covid-recovered natural antibodies. Which as I’ve shown previously with multiple studies are proving to be more robust and protective than the vaccine, especially against the variant.
- the VEARS database suggests that the covid vaccines have now killed more people in its 10 month existence than ALL other vaccines have killed in their existence COMBINED. LINK
Good enough answer for you? Or are you just going to continue to wallow in denial and act like your claim to safety outweighs mine and anyone else’s?
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:12 pm to S1C EM
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are sitting back planning on this being their line of defense if/when they do contract the virus because some radio show host told them it was the shite.
The number of people planning on ivermectin being their only line of defense against a virus with a 99.98% survival rate is a very low number, I'm not even sure why it's headline material.
Regarding radio hosts, I assume you are talking about Joe Rogan. Joe took ivermectin and a bunch of other shite too, he got better quickly. Joe never said it was "the shite". He said what he took, he doesn't know if it helped or not, he wasn't part of a study, he just shared his experience. The only two conservatives on the radio in ATL right now are Erickson and Hannity, both of whom are vaxxed and encourage vax.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:26 pm to S1C EM
quote:Oh it “MAY have some anti-viral properties” and it may be contributing to curing viruses, but let’s split hairs about its fricking formal classification?
Can you at least get it right that it's an anti-PARASITIC? You're not even in the right drug class. It MAY have some anti-viral properties, but no large-scale trials have proven this yet unless you can provide one (that hasn't since been withdrawn over concerns of fraud). The only studies I see cite tiny sample sizes and the need for high doses of the drug to show any effectiveness, something that could be problematic if broadly prescribed for this off-label purpose without further research.
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The 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine was awarded to William C. Campbell and Satoshi Ömura for their discoveries leading to ivermectin [1]. In addition to its extraordinary efficacy against parasitic diseases, ivermectin continues to offer new clinical applications due to its ability to be repurposed to treat new classes of diseases. Beyond its invaluable therapeutic role in onchocerciasis and strongyloidiasis, an increasing body of evidence points to the potential of ivermectin as an antiviral agent.
Ivermectin treatment was shown to increase survival in mice infected with the pseudorabies virus (PRV) [2] and reduced titers of porcine circovirus 2 (PCV2) in the tissues and sera of infected piglets [3]. In addition, Xu et al. reported the antiviral efficacy of ivermectin in dengue virus-infected Aedes albopictus mosquitoes [4]. Ivermectin was also identified as a promising agent against the alphaviruses chikungunya, Semliki Forest and Sindbis virus, as well as yellow fever, a flavivirus [5]. Moreover, a new study indicated that ivermectin presents strong antiviral activity against the West Nile virus, also a flavivirus, at low (µM) concentrations [6]. This drug has further been demonstrated to exert antiviral activity against Zika virus (ZIKV) in in vitro screening assays [7], but failed to offer protection in ZIKV-infected mice [8].
Hmm, sure sounds like it has efficacy against some viruses, doesn’t it?
Maybe direct studies of it against covid aren’t done yet, but they are in the works, and early reports suggest it has efficacy against covid, too. However, they clearly need to test and determine if high dosage levels are safe, which nobody would argue with.
But fact remains, there are studies and completed testing that conclude efficacy against viruses. Therefore, by goddamn definition, it is not only an anti-parasitic but also an anti-viral agent.
LOL, this is your shot, hair-splitting semantics? And we’re not supposed to believe you’re incensed, angry, and petulant about the topic?
Sure, okay. SMH
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:35 pm to BeefDawg
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mRNA gene therapy
All we need to know about where you get your news.
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What if it turns out a longterm side effect is women vaccinated when they were children are infertile as adults?
What if men lose libido/sperm count, contract ED, Low-T, or prostate disfunction, or even complete sterilization?
Cancer? Who knows because there hasn’t possibly been time to study and see.
Because there is no known mechanism for any of these. Please, if you find it, feel free to share with all of the researchers who do this for a living. The ingredients of the vaccine are not unknown. They are all well-studied and widely used across numerous other pharmaceuticals. The only portion that you could argue this with is the mRNA, a component flushed from your body within ~3 days of injection. And it, too, has been studied quite rigorously for decades now. And cancer? This is generally something that comes about as a result of CHRONIC exposure to/infection with carcinogens or cancer-causing pathogens. At this point, you're just spouting off whatever comes to the top of your mind as a possibility.
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What if children born from vaccinated parents, have the spike proteins and mRNA new gene sequences passed on to them, and it has horrible side effects on adolescent hormone development. Inflammation during incredibly important periods of development that causes horrible shite like autism, MS, stunted growth, or neurological disorders leading to ADHD or depression?
Where do you come up with this nonsense?
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the spike protein is currently spreading in some people and causing localized or even widespread inflammation in the body, to the point that even healthy adolescents, athletes, and adults with no preexisting conditions, are contracting things like myocarditis, early onset heart disease, irregular mensuration, polio-like temporary and even permanent paralysis and loss or reduction of certain motor functions, chronic migraines, chronic joint and nerve pain (most notably sciatic), skin rashes/disorders, renal and respiratory disfunction or reduced capacity, and even onset arthritis.
The spike proteins produced by your body are broken down within a matter of weeks, if not days. This is just silliness.
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the mRNA/spike protein is hurting/diminishing/causing a disruption of covid-recovered natural antibodies. Which as I’ve shown previously with multiple studies are proving to be more robust and protective than the vaccine, especially against the variant.
No one is arguing against natural immunity. This is your strawman. Your claim here regarding antibody reduction/interference could have something to it, or it could not. I've seen zero studies looking into it. It doesn't discount the vaccine for people who haven't yet been infected and encouraging people to get infected in order to develop natural immunity is not exactly a reasonable public health strategy.
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the VEARS database suggests that the covid vaccines have now killed more people in its 10 month existence than ALL other vaccines have killed in their existence COMBINED.
VAERS is the Wikipedia of the medical adverse event reporting world. Nothing more. Nothing verified. No causation established. And being used by people who are hoping to lay the groundwork for future litigation because they had a vaccinated loved one die and they see an opportunity to capitalize. Again, completely void of causation. And how many vaccines do you know of where HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of doses have been administered in 10 months' time?
Believe whatever you want, man. I'm done replying to your posts and anyone else here would be wise to disengage with you. You've completely lost it. You're doing more damage to yourself by getting on here and responding to everything you see that's even remotely pro-vaccine. I surely hope you're not on social media, otherwise, you're going to give yourself a stroke trying to keep up with all of this. For your own sake, take a vacation.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:40 pm to S1C EM
By portion, the demographic with the least amount of vaccine recruitment is black. Is it because they listen to right wing hate-radio?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:48 pm to S1C EM
quote:Oh gee, another sheep who clearly hasn’t read any of my previous posts linking studies and videos.
S1C EM
There is zero reason to believe anything you say. You’re splitting hairs about semantic terms (and being wrong about it), and then acting like nobody has died from or had any side effects from the covid vaccines.
I mean, the vaccines have not had any possible long-term studies and yet here you are making definitive claims like the goddamn science is already settled.
That’s literally your argument. “No mechanisms for that! It just can’t do that… because! Now let me downplay reported deaths and side effects, ignore some of the shite you said, then belittle you while I claim to be in this field and have settled the science already!”
Just stupid. Go frick yourself.
Sorry but I’m going to believe actual scientists and doctors like this guy over your silly arse.
Dr. Peter McCullough testifies before Texas senate.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:48 pm to BeefDawg
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Oh it “MAY have some anti-viral properties” and it may be contributing to curing viruses, but let’s split hairs about its fricking formal classification?
It's an ANTI-PARASITIC. No splitting hairs. That's what it IS.
From that study (I've already read it):
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Ivermectin is an FDA-approved broad-spectrum antiparasitic agent with demonstrated antiviral activity against a number of DNA and RNA viruses, including severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). Despite this promise, the antiviral activity of ivermectin has not been consistently proven in vivo.
Also from that study:
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However, these results should be interpreted with caution. Firstly, it is important to note that the drug was only tested in vitro using a single line of monkey kidney cells engineered to express human signaling lymphocytic activation molecule (SLAM), also known as CDw150, which is a receptor for the measles virus [10]. Also, ivermectin has not been tested in any pulmonary cell lines, which are critical for SARS-CoV-2 in humans [11]. Furthermore, these authors did not show whether the reduction seen in RNA levels of SARS-CoV-2 following treatment with ivermectin would indeed lead to decreased infectious virus titers. Importantly, the drug concentration used in the study (5 µM) to block SARS-CoV-2 was 35-fold higher than the one approved by the FDA for treatment of parasitic diseases, which raises concerns about its efficacy in humans using the FDA approved dose in clinical trials [12].
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Hmm, sure sounds like it has efficacy against some viruses, doesn’t it?
MAY. Still the operative word, regardless of your bias.
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Maybe direct studies of it against covid aren’t done yet, but they are in the works, and early reports suggest it has efficacy against covid, too. However, they clearly need to test and determine if high dosage levels are safe, which nobody would argue with.
And on this, I can agree with you. There's certainly no reason not to investigate it. But as of TODAY, this is not a viable option based on the information we have. Period.
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But fact remains, there are studies and completed testing that conclude efficacy against viruses. Therefore, by goddamn definition, it is not only an anti-parasitic but also an anti-viral agent.
When its classification is changed, we can discuss. For now, it is what it is. Literally. And it still is not approved to treat any of those viruses, new or old.
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LOL, this is your shot, hair-splitting semantics? And we’re not supposed to believe you’re incensed, angry, and petulant about the topic?
Why am I angry? You want to take horse paste, you go for it. I have no cares to give. Bet you respond to "horse paste", though.
Okay, now I'm done with you. Have a drink and enjoy your life, bro.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:52 pm to deeprig9
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By portion, the demographic with the least amount of vaccine recruitment is black. Is it because they listen to right wing hate-radio?
Nope. That demographic has long been distrusting of modern medicine, largely as a result of the 40-year-long Tuskegee study. Probably the Jewish Chronic Disease Hospital study, too, which started and ended while the Tuskegee study was still going on. And I can't say that I blame them much.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 1:55 pm to S1C EM
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largely as a result of the 40-year-long Tuskegee study.
Lol
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:03 pm to S1C EM
quote:False.
MAY. Still the operative word, regardless of your bias.
For frick sake, guy, it flat out says “ Ivermectin treatment was shown to increase survival in mice infected with the pseudorabies virus (PRV) [2] and reduced titers of porcine circovirus 2 (PCV2) in the tissues and sera of infected piglets [3].”
So again, go… frick… yourself. You dishonest piece of shite.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:04 pm to deeprig9
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The number of people planning on ivermectin being their only line of defense against a virus with a 99.98% survival rate is a very low number, I'm not even sure why it's headline material.
I'm sure you're right. And yet, it continues to be parroted relentlessly across social media as a viable option. Until there is convincing data, it is not. And 99.98% continues to be a misleading figure. Doesn't work that way across all ages or health statuses and you know this.
And Rogan is the guy that is continually referenced as having been "cured" by ivermectin, so guess where the thought on its efficacy is getting steam from? He may admit that he doesn't know what worked (monoclonal antibodies, most likely), but that's not what people are hearing.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:10 pm to meansonny
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Lol
You care to counter the point with something of substance? People in the black community routinely cite this. Why do you question their perception?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:13 pm to S1C EM
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Nope. That demographic has long been distrusting of modern medicine, largely as a result of the 40-year-long Tuskegee study. Probably the Jewish Chronic Disease Hospital study, too, which started and ended while the Tuskegee study was still going on. And I can't say that I blame them much.
This group is not only the most hesitant to get the vaccine, they are also the highest risk of serious illness/death from covid.
They get a pass because you guys just want to beat up on conservatives.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:15 pm to deeprig9
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This group is not only the most hesitant to get the vaccine, they are also the highest risk of serious illness/death from covid.
Correct on both points.
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They get a pass because you guys just want to beat up on conservatives.
Again, you are making blanket assumptions. I'm not on anyone's back to get vaccinated. Or not. I don't care.
And newsflash, I AM a conservative.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:20 pm to BeefDawg
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Why is that even an issue to you?
Because I care about other people, unlike you apparently.
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but let’s split hairs about its fricking formal classification?
I don't think that differentiating between drugs used to treat viruses and drugs used to treat parasites is "splitting hairs." In any event, I have a bunch of Heartgard stockpiled from before COVID for my dog that I'd be willing to sell you, Beef. I hear the stores are out.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:24 pm to deeprig9
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By portion, the demographic with the least amount of vaccine recruitment is black. Is it because they listen to right wing hate-radio?
True, but misleading. Whites, overall, are more vaxxed than blacks. Blacks, however, are more vaxxed than whites who identify as Republicans or conservatives.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:36 pm to baconwaffle
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Blacks, however, are more vaxxed than whites who identify as Republicans or conservatives.
Link? I find this hard to believe. How would this data even be collected? Sounds like bullshite.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:42 pm to baconwaffle
quote:Ahhh, there it is.
Because I care about other people, unlike you apparently.
Because I respect people having the right to choose how they run their own lives, and allow them to be responsible for themselves, I must not care about them.
Because forcing mother frickers to take that vaccine, or else, is sooooo “caring”!
Let’s ignore the fact that I’m the one not shitting on alternative treatments, trying to inform folks on the truths about recovered immunity, and asking why the “oh so caring media and lefty sheep” are lying about alternative treatments and throwing shade at unvaxxed people who selfishly won’t get sick and die from covid so assholes like you can claim you “care” about them.
God I just loathe you frickin dickheads.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 5:22 pm to BeefDawg
I don't recall being asked my political persuasion when I was vaxxed. I bet some Institute of Something at the prestigious Something Place did a facebook poll of 100 people and extrapolated the data with lots of footnotes and science and whatnot to determine it is white republicans, not black people, that are the main demo refusing the vaccine.
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