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Pvt Hudson
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Member since Jan 2013
1554 posts

re: Kelley Mond
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I’m not asking for a win (although that would be awesome!) but a close game going into the 4th is what I want to see.


That’s sad - year 3 with the same QB and another year of just hoping we don’t get blown off the field by teams in our division.


Captain Crown
LSU Fan
Member since Jun 2011
30055 posts

re: Kelley Mond
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just hoping we don’t get blown off the field by teams in our division.


To be fair it's not just some team .


NanosTacoRun
Member since Jun 2015
1874 posts

re: Kelley Mond
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That’s sad - year 3 with the same QB and another year of just hoping we don’t get blown off the field by teams in our division.


We're in the middle of rebuilding and starting a really flawed QB that limits our ceiling in any individual game. Our opponent has a lineup full of 1st/2nd day NFL draft picks and is in the middle of arguably the greatest dynastic run in college football.

We can act like we're entitled to run with the big dogs but having realistic expectations is probably better.


Pvt Hudson
Texas A&M Fan
Member since Jan 2013
1554 posts

re: Kelley Mond
It’s a team that lost two in our division last year and their starting QB.

When do we end the delusion of rebuilding? We have built shite since I graduated in 90.


NanosTacoRun
Member since Jun 2015
1874 posts

re: Kelley Mond
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It’s a team that lost two in our division last year and their starting QB.

When do we end the delusion of rebuilding? We have built shite since I graduated in 90.

They lost to the greatest team of all time then lost their starting QB to an injury before their 2nd loss

If anyone is deluded, it seems to be you. You feel entitled to a good football team because the date on the calendar changed enough times, but that's not how the real world works.


ShaneTheLegLechler
Texas A&M Fan
Member since Dec 2011
51179 posts

re: Kelley Mond
I think it’s fair to have realistic expectations in the short term while also understanding where we need to get in the long-ish term (3 years or so)


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Pvt Hudson
Texas A&M Fan
Member since Jan 2013
1554 posts

re: Kelley Mond
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but that's not how the real world works.


The real world works the way you make it work. It’s people like you that support and settle for mediocrity that get us to where we are now. Since we joined the SEC, LSU, Alabama and Auburn have all played for a national championship - why are we so different? Smaller state? Football not important here? No resources to compete? Lack of fan support? No talent around these parts? Small stadium size? Not enough TVs in the weight room?

Arguing that success comes from some sort of entitlement rather than hard work and high expectations gives us Kellen Mond and 8-5.


NanosTacoRun
Member since Jun 2015
1874 posts

re: Kelley Mond
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Since we joined the SEC, LSU, Alabama and Auburn have all played for a national championship - why are we so different?

1. We hired a not-very-good coach in 2008 that left us with an OK but very thin defense that would eventually let us down
2. Then we hired another not-very-good coach who didn't know how to build a program. He turned out an excellent year 1 and then got exposed.
3. Then we waited a year or two too long to fire said coach, let him destroy the QB depth and let the rest of roster decay enough that the next coach had to start almost from scratch once the best players he inherited graduated
4. Then Jimbo didn't land an excellent QB recruit in his first two classes and chose to stick with Mond over a potential grad transfer

And through all that our best teams didn't really benefit from extremely good luck, or actually suffered from some bad luck. Maybe if our first game in 2012 doesn't get postponed or Kliff calls a better game against LSU or we don't have a clip wipe out a huge play in that game, things turn out differently. But things happened the way they did, and our coaches didn't coach well enough or recruit well enough to play for titles like those other teams. Sucks but here we are.
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NanosTacoRun
Member since Jun 2015
1874 posts

re: Kelley Mond
Or it's because I (and a bunch of other posters) didn't whine enough on message boards that don't matter


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Dr RC
Alabama A&M Fan
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Member since Aug 2011
45253 posts

re: Kelley Mond
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We're in the middle of rebuilding


This has been the excuse since we let go of RC.
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NanosTacoRun
Member since Jun 2015
1874 posts

re: Kelley Mond
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This has been the excuse since we let go of RC.

Cool


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shiner17
Texas A&M Fan
Lone Star State
Member since Jul 2017
341 posts

re: Kelley Mond
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And the team is nowhere near bad enough to be rebuilding so he doesn't really have a good reason to go with the younger unproven guys up to this point.


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We're in the middle of rebuilding and starting a really flawed QB that limits our ceiling in any individual game.


So which is it? On the last page you say we're not bad enough to be rebuilding, but now of a sudden we're right in the middle of a rebuild?


NanosTacoRun
Member since Jun 2015
1874 posts

re: Kelley Mond
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So which is it? On the last page you say we're not bad enough to be rebuilding, but now of a sudden we're right in the middle of a rebuild?

Yeah maybe I should choose my words more carefully. But we're obviously building the program, we had back to back top 5 classes just now hitting the field. Combine that with a good coaching staff and this team is going to get a lot better than it is right now.

At the same time, Jimbo owes it to the team and the program to do what it takes to give us the best shot at winning this season. So he cannot bench Mond, not at this point, and start preparing for next year. I guess that is why I looked like a flip flopping bastard. Because there is a difference between rebuilding and tanking.

People losing all perspective because we're double digit underdogs to a Nick Saban team need to get a hold of themselves. The team isn't great in Year 3 under Jimbo. Ok whine about that if it makes you feel better. Or just look at it as a step towards hopefully better things. The 2021 roster and schedule looks as good or better than this year. If that bothers you, or you think Jimbo+Elko are the same as our previous staff, then ok. I'd find something different to spend my time on.
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Dr RC
Alabama A&M Fan
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
45253 posts

re: Kelley Mond
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People losing all perspective because we're double digit underdogs to a Nick Saban team need to get a hold of themselves


People aren't upset about being a double digit dog to Bama. That's going to be the case until we beat them.

People are upset b/c we looked like complete trash against Vanderbilt, all of Mond's well known issues were on display yet again, and we don't have a QB who can take over if he gets benched or is hurt. Calzada and Blumrick are the only ones still practicing who have even seen the field and they've thrown a combined 25 passes.

We keep hearing about how great Mond is in practice but when the games happen it's the same issues again and again. It's like when Texas had Chris Simms who looked the part right up until he hit the field except we don't even have a Hubenack to put on the field let alone a physically less talented gamer like Applewhite. Say what you will about Sumlin but at least he had a system that isn't so overly complicated that having a freshman run it is suicide.
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NanosTacoRun
Member since Jun 2015
1874 posts

re: Kelley Mond
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People aren't upset about being a double digit dog to Bama. That's going to be the case until we beat them.

Uhh at least one person in this thread is literally melting down, blaming people not getting upset about how far we're behind Alabama for why we're so far behind Alabama


Pvt Hudson
Texas A&M Fan
Member since Jan 2013
1554 posts

re: Kelley Mond
I’m not melting - just started off saying it was sad that our hopes and dreams are not getting our asses kicked.

You laid it out that wanting to be successful was some sort of entitlement issue.


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aTmTexas Dillo
Houston Astros Fan
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
5616 posts

re: Kelley Mond
These are the recruiting rankings of aTm and Miss State for the last five years via 247. Keep these in mind after the Miss State game. Miss State should not be as good as TAMU and are not perceived to be nearly as good in recruiting. If they win and I hope they don't then there is more here than just recruiting or rebuilding. And I'll revisit this after the Miss State game. In these five years LSU and Bama are perceived to have had much better recruits.

TAMU Miss State
2019 04 24
2018 17 27
2017 13 24
2016 18 28
2015 11 18


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Texas Gentleman
Texas A&M Fan
Texas
Member since Sep 2015
1197 posts

re: Kelley Mond
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The real world works the way you make it work. It’s people like you that support and settle for mediocrity that get us to where we are now. Since we joined the SEC, LSU, Alabama and Auburn have all played for a national championship - why are we so different? Smaller state? Football not important here? No resources to compete? Lack of fan support? No talent around these parts? Small stadium size? Not enough TVs in the weight room?


I realize I’m chiming in with my 2 cents after the argument is done here, but just wanted to express my displeasure that I can only upvote this once.

A&M has made every possible commitment to being a football super power. We dumped a half billion dollars into the stadium, spent millions on new practice facilities, routinely are near the top of the list in athletic department revenue, and went out and hired a coach with a NC from another school and made him the second or third highest paid coach in the country.

So that’s why it’s so damn frustrating to beat a team that went 3-9 from a year ago with a true freshman QB, at home, by 5 points. And watch the same mistakes made by our 4th year QB that we’ve seen the previous 3 years.

Expecting something better vs vandy and being able to compete with Bama or LSU doesn’t make us entitled, it’s just a rational thought for all the effort we’ve poured into the football program. It’s truly mind boggling that this point we had one really good season (2012) in the last 10 years, and mostly mediocre ones after that.


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85AustinAg
Texas A&M Fan
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2016
190 posts

re: Kelley Mond
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I’m not sure what’s worse, jimbo not recognizing that Mond isn’t the answer, or that jimbo is too stubborn to go in a different direction.


I think its pretty clear that he's simply the best we've got and so he's going to start. I think its insane to suggest that you give one of these other guys a try and see if they do better. That's not how this works. Either you are ready to go in or you are not and I trust that Jimbo thinks he's got the best we've got out there.


Pitch To Johnny
Texas A&M Fan
Houston
Member since Jun 2015
3826 posts

re: Kelley Mond
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I think its pretty clear that he's simply the best we've got and so he's going to start.
This is exactly what I'm afraid of


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