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re: Jimbo can’t coach
Posted on 11/29/21 at 11:09 am to Dr RC
Posted on 11/29/21 at 11:09 am to Dr RC
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Well I was never a hire Jimbo guy in the first place
Yeah, you wanted Chad freaking Morris, so excuse us if we dont think your judgment/analysis is as spot on as it could be.
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Hell, I don't even think there is an issue w/his overall scheme. If he'd let somebody else call plays on offense so can focus more on other things I might change my mind but we all know that's just never going to happen.
In the same breath I will agree with you here. I think this is the biggest rift between Jimbo supporters and haters right now. We all can agree his playcalling on gameday leaves something to be desired. Most of the other aspects of his coaching are good (recruitment, player development, etc.) but calling plays and adjusting on the fly is something he doesnt do well.
Us supporters have hope he will get the right guys in that can handle his complex system and he gets a little better at calling plays, maybe gets someone as a "consultant" or assistant to help out. I do agree that he probably wont hire an OC which would be the easiest fix to this problem.
Yall haters pretty much assume he will never change and we will continue to lose games with good talent because his offense is too sophisticated and we wont have the players.
I guess time will tell who is right. To me it does no good wailing and gnashing teeth about it right now because he's definitely not getting fired this year, probably not even next unless we go 2-10 or something. But if we dont get 10+ next year I will say his seat will be plenty warm. Yes the buyout is huge but I'm guessing if a change needed to be made they could do it within a year or two if need be. Plenty of big $$$$ Ags out there still. I am hoping we dont need that and build stability and double digit win seasons with Jimbo but hes got a lot to prove.
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Posted on 11/29/21 at 11:21 am to Texas Gentleman
I think we can all agree, no matter how you feel about Jimbo, next year is a big year for him and his coaching tenure at A&M. Not by any means saying he'll get fired or even a hot seat but if they come out and have another "mehh" season. It's gonna start rolling that way
Posted on 11/29/21 at 11:21 am to Ag_16
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Not arguing but just generally curious, did we see enough from King in his limited time to feel that confident in him next year?
Nope, no guarantees at all. We did see some signs though. He showed he has serious wheels and the Read Option is going to be a serious weapon next year. Teams are also going to be very hesitant to bull rush him and will have to have a spy on most plays. That impacts everything scheme wise. King also showed some "JFF skills"in that Kent State game with his escape act and pass. He's also a coaches kid and clearly a student of the game.
Does that mean he will be the man? No clue. He could get hurt again. He could fold against a legit D. His turnover issues he flashed could be a real problem.
Then you are looking at Calzada improving (and not transferring) or Conner. For Calzada the key for him is pre snap reads and audibles. If he improved in that aspect he would be SO much better. Unfortunately he just doesn't have good field vision and he hesitates to go along with his limited mobility.
Conner will be the Freshman with the unlimited ceiling but no experience. No clue what happens there.
The only certainty is nothing is certain.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 11:28 am to Ag_16
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I think we can all agree, no matter how you feel about Jimbo, next year is a big year for him and his coaching tenure at A&M. Not by any means saying he'll get fired or even a hot seat but if they come out and have another "mehh" season. It's gonna start rolling that way
Yep. The recruiting will follow this as well. If he flounders it will level off or decline and that will be his downfall. As long as he can show upward trajectory he's fine. Personally I still feel very good about him.
I also agree with the playcalling criticism with a huge caveat. Jimbo's offense requires a QB to see the field and make pre-snap reads to audible or check to secondary receivers. It's bonus points if you have a QB that can make plays with their feet. With Mond he had that last year for the most part, this year he definitely did not. Calzada would stare straight into an 8 man front when he had 5 OL plus a TE and still run the ball going 6 on 8. Ultimately that still falls on Jimbo to coach him up but a QB HAS to see that and call audibles. It's not like Jimbo had another realistic option once King went down either, he had to ride it out with Calzada (once again that's ultimately on Jimbo as well).
Posted on 11/29/21 at 11:40 am to Masterag
It’s just a season. When King went down I knew we were in for a wild ride. King looked pretty dang good so it’s tough to think that if he had not been injured we probably could have been in a decent spot to win the division. But at the end of the day it’s just one season and we are still in the hunt for a top 5 recruiting class.
It’s not realistic to hope that Jimbo can turn this program into Alabama under Saban. So 8/9 win seasons are going to happen. As long as we are showing progress with recruiting we are doing what we need to do in order to compete.
It’s not realistic to hope that Jimbo can turn this program into Alabama under Saban. So 8/9 win seasons are going to happen. As long as we are showing progress with recruiting we are doing what we need to do in order to compete.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 9:07 pm to Texas Gentleman
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Yeah, you wanted Chad freaking Morris, so excuse us if we dont think your judgment/analysis is as spot on as it could be.
I've already said I was wrong about him and he would have been a mistake HOWEVER Morris would have been very easy to move on from and w/how Pittman is doing likely wouldn't have left any real damage to the program. With Jimbo we are flat out stuck b/c of the deal it took to get him. I'm not sure it was even necessary to throw the bank at him b/c it seems like both sides were ready to move on regardless of what we did.
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Yall haters pretty much assume he will never change and we will continue to lose games with good talent because his offense is too sophisticated and we wont have the players.
I mean... after 4 years of watching him call games I'm fairly confident he's not going to change the way he does things on game day. That was something FSU fans warned us about that most just waived off as their fans being butthurt. They also told us that b/c of the way he calls games we were going to play a lot of teams that we are far more talented than much closer than we should and that's also come true. This is stuff that has been going on since before he was here.
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maybe gets someone as a "consultant" or assistant to help out.
That's essentially what Darrel Dicky does. Dude has the GOAT job ever. Gets the title of OC/QB coach and but Jimbo does all the heavy lifting. I'm super jealous of him TBH.
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But if we dont get 10+ next year I will say his seat will be plenty warm. Yes the buyout is huge but I'm guessing if a change needed to be made they could do it within a year or two if need be
I have zero faith in that. We held onto both Fran and Sumlin for much longer than we needed to b/c our big money Ags did not want to spend to get rid of them and were too far gone w/sunk cost fallacy to see what needed to be done. Jimbo's contract is so large that he's going nowhere until 2029 at the earliest and that's only if we don't extend him for the slightest amount of success like we did after last season.
And hey, I very badly want to be wrong. I really do. But if he keeps it up as the playcaller... well... we are going to need a transcendent QB to overcome his game management.
This post was edited on 11/29/21 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 11/29/21 at 11:04 pm to Dr RC
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And hey, I very badly want to be wrong. I really do. But if he keeps it up as the playcaller... well... we are going to need a transcendent QB to overcome his game management.
Haynes King is on the roster, baw. We riding in 2022
Posted on 11/29/21 at 11:28 pm to Mr. Elvert
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And hey, I very badly want to be wrong. I really do. But if he keeps it up as the playcaller... well... we are going to need a transcendent QB to overcome his game management.
Haynes King is on the roster, baw. We riding in 2022
This and a lot more. The thing I find funny is the folks who say "Jimbo was nothing without Jameis!" and then ignore the fact he is killing it in recruiting. He may already have the next Jameis on campus or on the way with the talent he is assembling.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 11:37 pm to aggressor
Fisher is getting his transcendent QB, and the WR corps to go with him. In the meantime, King will do just fine as the starter next year while Weigman learns
Posted on 11/29/21 at 11:44 pm to ColoradoAg
How about we wait for once and let the kid actually play before we anoint him the next great thing?
Did the Sumlin era not teach you guys anything about getting overly hyped for a QB recruit?
Did the Sumlin era not teach you guys anything about getting overly hyped for a QB recruit?
Posted on 11/30/21 at 12:14 am to Dr RC
"Jimbo is a bad play caller"
Well, if Jimmy doesn't block, Joe has the dropsies, and Billy throws a fastball over Joe's head anyhow, it really doesn't matter how good the play call was.
On the other hand, if everyone hands the guy in front of him his asp 3 plays out of four, you can call the same play all day long and score at will.
I agree some of the calls have been suspect, but the bigger reality is execution. Suspect calls happen to the best teams, but execution makes them irrelevant. Much of that is an experience problem at key spots. We played to win all we could in 2020, as opposed to setting up a bit for 2021, and then got unlucky with injuries.
Which turned suspect calls into bad outcomes.
Well, if Jimmy doesn't block, Joe has the dropsies, and Billy throws a fastball over Joe's head anyhow, it really doesn't matter how good the play call was.
On the other hand, if everyone hands the guy in front of him his asp 3 plays out of four, you can call the same play all day long and score at will.
I agree some of the calls have been suspect, but the bigger reality is execution. Suspect calls happen to the best teams, but execution makes them irrelevant. Much of that is an experience problem at key spots. We played to win all we could in 2020, as opposed to setting up a bit for 2021, and then got unlucky with injuries.
Which turned suspect calls into bad outcomes.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 6:46 am to Dr RC
Damn, hell is freezing over. I agree with Dr RC twice. Ever since Manziel we are always looking for the next JFF and are always early to proclaim the next big time QB.
I think Jimbo knew what he was doing when King started the season so I assume he’s better than Calzada, but that isn’t saying much. Let’s see how he does and just how much better he is.
And the Weigman kid is just in high school, there are tons of 4 and 5 star QB recruits that didn’t pan out once they got to the college level so let’s tap the brakes a bit.
I hope our next big time QB is one of the two guys because this offense desperately needs a top level QB to run Jimbo’s system, but I’m not just going to assume he’s here already.
I think Jimbo knew what he was doing when King started the season so I assume he’s better than Calzada, but that isn’t saying much. Let’s see how he does and just how much better he is.
And the Weigman kid is just in high school, there are tons of 4 and 5 star QB recruits that didn’t pan out once they got to the college level so let’s tap the brakes a bit.
I hope our next big time QB is one of the two guys because this offense desperately needs a top level QB to run Jimbo’s system, but I’m not just going to assume he’s here already.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:29 am to Texas Gentleman
Y’all still think sky is falling after the recent commit
Posted on 11/30/21 at 11:00 am to Dr RC
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How about we wait for once and let the kid actually play before we anoint him the next great thing?
Did the Sumlin era not teach you guys anything about getting overly hyped for a QB recruit?
Interesting you bring that up. Kyler Murray won the Heisman and was the #1 overall Draft Pick, Kyle Allen is still on the Washington roster. The talent was absolutely there, Sumlin just blew it.
You never know with any player for sure until they do it but in this case we have 2 guys with potentially elite ability in Haynes and Conner. Then there is always a chance Calzada can fix his issues (though not likely). So we aren't putting all our eggs in one basket, we have 3. We also are surrounding whomever the guy will be with more talent than A&M has ever had.
I don't assume all will turn out roses but we are talking about guys that absolutely have the ability to be difference makers. I don't really understand the mentality of "Sure, we may be signing our best class ever and have elite everything but we will suck because we just will". Maybe it is because I grew up on Aggie football in the Sherrill era, I see it as our destiny to win and win big not to underperform. I'm sure you can find lots of folks on tRant who will agree A&M will always suck though.
It just boggles me that we are very much in the mix for 10 5 Star players when there are only 34 total and yet some of you think the program is going in the wrong direction.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 3:24 pm to aggressor
Excellent post.
I’m witchu.
I’m witchu.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 9:34 am to Masterag
Is Masterag really Kevin Sumlin IRL?
I keeed. I keeeed.
I keeed. I keeeed.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 9:25 am to KaiserSoze99
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Is Masterag really Kevin Sumlin IRL?
Posted on 12/29/21 at 2:41 pm to Masterag
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In the same breath I will agree with you here. I think this is the biggest rift between Jimbo supporters and haters right now. We all can agree his playcalling on gameday leaves something to be desired. Most of the other aspects of his coaching are good (recruitment, player development, etc.) but calling plays and adjusting on the fly is something he doesnt do well.
This is an incredibly lazy take. I'd say 9 out of 10 times its poor execution and not bad playcalling.
I honestly believe he's one of the better playcallers we've had since Kingsbury.Posted on 12/31/21 at 9:45 am to 85AustinAg
We will know next year if Fisher is able to coach offense like he used to. Looked like we were going to throw downfield this year before King got hurt. Took too long for Calzada to adjust as a result
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