re: Jimbo can’t coach

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Winning or losing tonight has no impact at all on program trajectory.

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False. How so many of you can find this an acceptable loss, with no impact on program trajectory is mind boggling. You think a 4 or 5 star recruit with options isn’t having second thoughts after he sees his future coach shite the bed in the last quarter after the team fought for him despite his mistakes, then turn around and not accept complete and total responsibility in the presser has no impact?!?!?

Tf is wrong with y’all?!

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And in the end recruiting is what matters most at the top of college football.

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So You’re telling me that Arkansas, Mississippi state, and ole miss have signed better classes than us since Jimbo arrived?

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So You’re telling me that Arkansas, Mississippi state, and ole miss have signed better classes than us since Jimbo arrived?

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So you’re saying that the programs at Arky, Oxford, and Starkville are in better shape as programs than ours?

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Tf is wrong with y’all?!

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They're still in the denial stage. I get it. I was like that w/Sumlin for far too long. But the excuse making and justifications for why we shouldn’t worry despite several red flags are pretty much the same.

“We’re just a QB away! Look how good our recruiting is! Once he gets all his players the sky is the limit!” Sorry not falling for the banana in the tailpipe again.

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So, having had a good or even competent QB this year would not have made a huge difference in how the season went?

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That thing we didn't have in year four of the $100 million offensive guru and QB whisperer???

Yeah, it could have made a difference but it might not have b/c the problems go well beyond the QB position. FOr example, play calling was awful in key situations all season long and that's not a new thing that cropped up just this year.

The first 3 years had many of the same problems w/plays getting in too slow, confusion between the QB and WR b/c of the complicated nature of the offense, plays getting called that don't fit the situation and then essentially waiving off any blame by going "Oh well that was an RPO" as if that makes it ok, completely forgetting players like Achane and Spiller exist for entire 4th quarters of close games, refusing to break from his precious RB rotation regardless of how the RBs are actually playing, abandoning the run right as it starts to pick up steam, putting the game on the shoulders of a shaky QB who has terrible mechanics instead of coming up with creative ways to get the ball to skill players... I mean damn, when was the last time Jimbo ran a play that surprised the hell out of you with it's design and implementation?

Before we would go "Oh well that's just Moon Moon Mond" but now that the same shite is going down again? Sorry. That's a systemic coaching issue that can't be fixed b/c Jimbo is never going to change his offense, he's never going to give up play calling, and he's never going to deviate from his charts. I hate to say this but he honestly reminds me a bit of Mazzone w/how bad he is when it comes to calling plays w/in the flow of the game.

Well I was never a hire Jimbo guy in the first place.

Hell, I don't even think there is an issue w/his overall scheme. If he'd let somebody else call plays on offense so can focus more on other things I might change my mind but we all know that's just never going to happen.

100% agree with this, something needs to improve next year. Maybe losing King was bigger than we thought (who knows) I'm sure we'll find out next year

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100% agree with this, something needs to improve next year. Maybe losing King was bigger than we thought (who knows) I'm sure we'll find out next year

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Actually I think the better statement would be that losing King was as big as we thought. We lost 3 very close games and one close game. Having a very limited QB hurt badly. Calzada is a tough SOB (whining Insta post aside that was likely responding to LSU trolls) but in the end he can't run, he is terrible at pre-snap reads, and he gets nervous under pressure and has the tiptoe 20 yards behind the LOS habit.

That meant we could not rely on him to run for anything (though he managed a couple of surprising runs ironically in his very limited attempts on scrambles. Thus we could only have a run game focused on running backs with no Read Option. King dramatically changes this.

The lack of pre-read snap ability was even more painful though. It meant that the play called from the sideline had to be the right one because Calzada couldn't see "There are 8 guys in the box and I have 4 wideouts with a RB and the call is a run. Maybe I should audible out of this off tackle run and throw the ball to a WR that is 1 on 1." That was Mond's biggest strength and something Calzada struggles with mightily. If you had King the reads may or may not be better but he has FAR better improvisational ability because of his athleticism.

The tiptoe habit combined with the lock on to WR habit were really tough when combined with those first 2 issues. He improved as the season went on but when he got under pressure like he did with LSU he reverted. You could tell Jimbo was working with him but it's just hard to re-program natural instincts under pressure. We saw enough of King he was an improviser and certainly wasn't afraid of blitzes, if anything he looked at a blitz as an opportunity to run or to make a quick throw. He's a lot more of a gunslinger.

Much of those issues would also have been less had we had a more experienced OL, especially in the early losses. Having a talented but inexperienced OL combined with a QB like Calzada was going to result in an inconsistent offense.

BTW, none of this absolves Jimbo. He's the HC in Year 4 and he owns it. He also owns some tactical errors like "Why didn't we have a LOT more formations with Achane and Spiller on the field at the same time, especially with our lack of WR talent?" Occasionally we would have Smith and one of the RB's but very rarely did we have Achane and Spiller, we saw some of the result with Achane at WR as well against LSU. Why we didn't have them moving all over the place and confusing defenses made no sense. Plenty of other tactics to criticize as well.

In the end though King going down made our path to the Playoff much, much harder and left very little margin for error. We ended up 8-4 which if you look at the predictions after King went down are about where we thought. The surprise is that we beat Bama and lost the 4 games we did but inconsistent QB play will do that.

Sorry for the rational football discussion.

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Maybe losing King was bigger than we thought (who knows) I'm sure we'll find out next year

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There were going to be growing pains with Haynes King. I remember when Johnny Football stepped on the field and one knew he had the "it factor". In some way that needs to happen with a new QB whether it is King or Weigman. The stakes are too high not to have at least two very talented QB ready to play.