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Posted on 11/11/19 at 1:36 pm to
Posted by Texas Gentleman
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Posted on 11/11/19 at 1:36 pm to
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Auburn fans did the same thing with a guy who won 4 games at Iowa State, caught a miracle JUCO transfer and playcaller in a bottle and we know how that worked out. No saying O will bomb like Chizik, but the situations are eerily similar. O will likely never flame out because he has too much talent, but I fully expect this to be the high water mark and an 8-9 win season make an appearance in a year or two.


Very well said. At this point what is more likely: 1) LSU is the new dynasty in the SEC west or 2) Alabama resumes it’s top spot for the next few seasons until Saban retires?

As of today, I’m going option 2 until I see differently. Even as good as Saban is of a coach and as many great recruits as they get, you will have a year or two where they stumble. Kudos to LSU for putting all the pieces together in the year that they did trip up a bit. Just like Auburn in 2010 and 2013 seasons, and us almost in 2012.

I think the comments about Orgeron’s coaching are spot on. He has done a very good job surrounding himself with excellent assistants and coordinators. He’s just a figurehead/recruiter/motivator. He will be as good as his hires are. Mack brown was a similar style coach and look how that ended for him.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
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Posted on 11/11/19 at 2:23 pm to
I think that’s unfair to Mack. Over time he became that, but he was a very good offensive coach/mind and called his own plays early in his HC career at Tulane and at times at UNC. He also built a 4 win Texas team from the ground up.

I’d take Mack Brown any day over O.
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
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21788 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 2:38 pm to
Man, I straight up like Wolfhound. He's the only cajun I think I can say that about though ...
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
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Posted on 11/11/19 at 6:04 pm to
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other thing: LSU brass knows this is all true


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don’t offer that money to a passing game coordinator if your head coach is the reason you’re winning


Of course they do. See: tBinder.

Surely you know what we’re paying Aranda. That’s the whole appeal of the “binder” thing which must have given Alleva the biggest stiffy he’d had since beating coach K in badminton.

Les was basically the same CEO type coach but his OC hires became irrelevant because we were running his offense. And said offense is what really got him run off.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 11/11/19 at 8:53 pm to
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CGSC Lobotomy
Meant to ask you, since we both spent time at Bragg, did you know Mike Donahue? You both are SC. He served in the 82nd and XVIII ABC. We lost him 18 September 2014 in Afghanistan. Pretty sure he is one of the most senior 25 series that has been KIA. Knew him through LU ROTC. Great guy who left behind a wonderful wife and three beautiful kids.

RIP jumpmaster.

Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:05 pm to
Mike replaced me at Corps G6. Prior to that he was the XO of 50th Signal. Had I remained at Bragg a 4th year, I might have been in that convoy. When I saw COL Chris O'Connor after he took command of 35th Signal, he told me that the day he received the notification of Mike's death was the worst day of his life.
This post was edited on 11/11/19 at 9:06 pm
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:17 pm to
Dammit

Stay in touch with his wife through FB. Dawned on me through the Veterans Day post when you said nineteen years that you and him were probably close to the same year group. What a freaking waste of a great officer and a great man. Just revisiting this would make me go tie one on if I was a drinking man. Dammit.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:18 pm to
Not close to. We were the same YG. He was the XO under a great Battalion Commander (the aforementioned LTC O'Connor) who had to replace a BC who was so toxic that (now MG) Maria Barrett relieved her for cause while the Battalion was deployed to Iraq.

The whistleblower who led the charge to remove her is now BG Landes' G6 at SFAC.

Don't misunderstand: Kathy Fox was one of the worst people ever to wear the uniform and the Army is better without her stench
This post was edited on 11/11/19 at 9:23 pm
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:20 pm to
Frick.
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
21788 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:33 pm to
Is that the same Barrett that is currently at NETCOM?
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:39 pm to
Yes. She was the Brigade CDR of 160th Signal at the time.
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
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21788 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:00 pm to
Small world. I know her well ...
Posted by Dotarian
Midwest
Member since Oct 2012
907 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 3:27 am to
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The claim that Jimbo has underachieved is a dishonest narrative


Apologies for being misunderstood. I didn't mean to insinuate Jimbo was "underachieving", only that we LSU fans are ecstatic at O's success while also throwing some side-eye at the guy who turned us down - and hasn't gotten your program to the point most of us thought he would (or should) by now.

Remember that most Tiger fans wanted Jimbo and thought he would take a criminally misused talent pool and start doing good things fairly soon. Those expectations of his coaching skills didn't suddenly evaporate just because he went to work somewhere other than Baton Rouge...
Posted by Dotarian
Midwest
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/12/19 at 3:46 am to
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At this point what is more likely: 1) LSU is the new dynasty in the SEC west or 2) Alabama resumes it’s top spot for the next few seasons until Saban retires?

As of today, I’m going option 2 until I see differently.


For most of the last decade I'd probably agree with you. Not now, though, because our current coach manned up and did the one thing Miles never did: recognized his deficiencies on offense and did something about it.

It started with promoting Ensminger to OC. From that point forward mid season - LSU started scoring a LOT more points. Same players, same season, but different OC and different results.

That was just the start, though. After yet another horse-whipping from the Gumps, O said we needed to get better on the lines - and that's what he did, through recruiting.

And finally, O came to the same conclusion that Saban did a few years back (and that Miles SHOULD have come to) - that the offense needed to open up and modernize. So he went out and hired Brady.

That's a lot of hoopla to make one point: this ain't your daddies LSU anymore. Coach O has proven that he's willing to adapt and make the choices needed to finally push LSU past the stagnation of the last decade.

For that reason alone, we have hope that this year's success is the result of a well-built program that will be sustainable - instead of being the team whose success depends on the raw talent that was (it wasnt there.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:18 am to
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ColoradoAg
What do you do in the AF? Signal (in Army parlance) as well?
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
79980 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:20 am to
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Apologies for being misunderstood. I didn't mean to insinuate Jimbo was "underachieving", only that we LSU fans are ecstatic at O's success while also throwing some side-eye at the guy who turned us down - and hasn't gotten your program to the point most of us thought he would (or should) by now. 


Then you and they don't understand what Kevin Sumlin really was.

If you look up his history, he is 23-3 as a coach when Kingsbury is his OC and 24-22 as a head coach with his current OC.

2012 also required an insane amount of luck in terms of health of starters. That team's starters missed 1 combined game due to injury. When they played Louisiana Tech they had 4 defensive starters out due to injury and allowed 57 points as a result. That defense also had 6 senior starters and 1 junior starter who left for the NFL.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:08 am to
I don’t disagree with you but Joe Brady is gonna be an OC somewhere soon and, even if LSU pays him $2 million a year and promotes him, he’ll be a P5 HC by 2021.
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
21788 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 1:19 pm to
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What do you do in the AF? Signal (in Army parlance) as well?

I was LT in charge of Tech Control at McClellan, and I taught at the Air Force Academy. Did my eight years and left at the recommendation of my SO - he told me I was too smart to get caught up in politics above the O-3 level, and set me up with some friends of his. Then I worked for awhile at both AFSPACE and MDA as a communications architect, and now I work for a large IT company with the USARMY as my customer

I deal with NETCOM, PEO, 7SG, CIO, etc ...


I've been very, very fortunate in my career, but I cannot help but wonder how different things would have been if I'd stayed. I do extremely well for myself, but I will have to make my own retirement, which is years and years away. But, I have very deep roots in multiple military branches, and I love that my work helps to make life better for the troops in the field

This post was edited on 11/12/19 at 1:59 pm
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 11/12/19 at 2:40 pm to
Interesting. Don't have any regrets though. You are where you are for a reason. Live life to the fullest (which you appear to be doing).
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
21788 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 6:36 pm to
Yes, I live a pretty good life. I'm technical support for sales, which means that I get sales bonuses as well as my base pay - so yes, I will actually be able to retire one day as a result. I simply cannot complain about my path, and it does have its perks

And my wife has her own business as well, so we both work from home.

As to your unwritten questions - I know lots of boosters, simply because I'm a low-level one (for tax reasons). I'm not a "cigar" or any of that kind of crap - I just know a bunch of them. You'd be amazed how much these people talk to one another, even from rival schools. I've been the guest of some pretty influential people, both as a result of work, and outside of work as well

And I'm sorry about my jabs toward LA - I have a bit of an evil side to me that comes out when dealing with some t-shirt fanbases. It's mostly Texas, but LSU, OU, and some others from time to time. I'll try and do better ... if for nothing than the respect that I hold for you and your like

So where are you stationed, Wolfhound?
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