Dotarian

Well, Wake and Wisconsin pulled off upsets, so why not Clemson?

Don't really feel one way or the other about the Fightin' Dabos, but I'd like for them to pull this one out. We'd get a twofer: Our beatdown of them would look better, and it would put an L on Miami.

That said, I don't think it will happen (said while busily invoking voodoo chants to help Clemson....)

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I guess it depends on how he wants his legacy viewed but I would imagine he was smart enough to read the tea leaves while he was there.

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My daughter went to KState for a bit, and they are pretty salty about their football program. Snyder was a legend there - both times he coached them.

Collin is stepping into a dream job for any alum - played QB there, now coaching at his alma mater. I doubt he leaves for any other CFB coaching job, but I could see the NFL eventually trying to drop a bag on him. That's the only way I see him leaving any time in the next decade.

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They are going to have to give Leavitt the week off with that Hammy.

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I think they're probably going to give Sam some time to work on his newfound "OMG I can actually throw instead of run" powerup. No better way to get that skill locked in than against McNeese.

That said, I truly hope he sits for the majority of that game.

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He’s focused on developing his quarterback. 

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Based on what evidence?

:popcorn:

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If he is who he is, he will come back in 2027 and if that's at LSU we go nowhere in Lane's first 2 years

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I disagree.

First, let me say that I truly hope that Sam (and the rest of the offense) find some rhythm and consistency against aTm that they can build on for the rest of the season.

It's not all on Sam - the OL isn't doing him any favors in passpro, our receivers are meh (including Watkins, at least for now), and he lost his best target in Green for many weeks.

Sam can definitely improve his own performance, however, regardless of those deficits - better decision making in the pocket, actually stepping up into the pocket instead of bailing, progressing through his reads, etc. Those changes would go a long way to improving our overall offensive performance.

But here's the thing - in their second year here both Joe and JD had that thing where, when the chips were down they could make something happen to change the game. They had the desire and ability to put the offense on their back and move forward when they had to.

Everyone's saying that "for a 5 million dollar NIL QB, Sam should be able to do that". I disagree, especially since his surrounding cast is nowhere near the level that the other two had, and he's only in his first year.

I do, however, think it's entirely reasonable to expect someone at his level to show improvement as the season moves on. And so far, for whatever reason, that hasn't happened.

So IMO whether he comes back in 27 or not (regardless of what he wants to do) depends on whether or not he can improve his own game. Given the injuries and deficiencies elsewhere in the offense any improvement from him would go a long way to prove he's worth a QB1 slot in '27.

And, I trust Kiffin to make that decision at the end of the season. Personally, if Sam shows little or no improvement over the year I don't think Lane is going to let him be the reason we also have a poor showing next year. That type of "deference to seniority" crap may have flown with Les, O, and Kelly but Lane will do what's best for the team.

So let's see where we are at the end of the season before worrying about whether or not we'll be saddled with a meh QB costing us millions next year. There's a lot of football left to be played this year - sit back and enjoy the ride.

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Yes, I am sure that Penix's QBR will be better than if he literally spiked the ball on every play

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I think I saw an article somewhere that said that Atlanta's combined QBR for the last game was 12.5 - which is exactly the score a QB would get for spiking the ball every down for the entire game.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

So, there really isn't anywhere for the Failcons to go but up from here. The other two QB's were bad - really bad - but was their performance due strictly to their own play, or was the entire offense just as bad? If their performance so far was even partly due to the entire offense sucking, then Penix is in for a very long night - and that would be true even if they were playing Miami.

It is kinda hard, though, to understand how they could be THAT bad with Bijon in the backfield. I guess the ineptness extends into their coaching ranks as well.

I guess we'll see tonight. GO PACK GO!

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It's been 3 games FFS!

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And your point is....what?

3 games = 1/4 of the season. Pretty significant given Leavitt's performance so far. Of the three games, Clemson was the outlier - and it was in our house, with the entire offseason to plan for it. Maybe Ole Piss was an outlier, too - it was in their house and they brought the business with their hate, noise, and general FULK chants that obviously got to our team and our coach.

But you can look objectively at the results of all three games and draw a pretty decent initial conclusion. I think everyone with an even keel recognizes that we've seen nothing to give a rock-solid assessment of where Sam stands right now as opposed to where he might (or might not) be in December. That said, though, it's fair to recognize that his passing game is, uh, lacking, right now. And if he keeps running for his life whenever a DL or edge looks at him it's going to put him at risk of a serious injury.

And, lastly, given how NIL and the portal have changed the game for CFB rosters, 1/4 of a season is a pretty big chunk to consider when he might only be here for one year. So wondering if he can make a leap past his performance in the last two games is justified.

JMO, y'all, Fire away.

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I'm not a Leavitt hater by any means (I'm damn glad we have him) but Jayden Daniels didn't throw his first interception until October 8th. They aren't similar players.

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Jayden also had better receivers, FWIW. Also, keep in mind that JD thew a LOT of balls away - he was definitely risk-averse in his 1st-year passing. Kinda hard to throw interceptions when you're doing that.

Not sure the OL was better for him in his 1st year than what Sam has, though.

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Two. Unless he improves dramatically though we need to go after Taylor from Mississippi State with a blank check

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Taylor is a stud, no doubt, but he's a sophomore and would be a junior with us next year - assuming he could be swayed to join the good guys.

There's also the cost factor - what would it take? And, along with that, I wonder what agreements we have in place with Sam? If he wants to stay another year I wonder if his NIL agreements would stay in place - even if he's not the starter. If that's the case would it impact what we could do with KT?

In the end, I don't think Taylor is a realistic option for us next year. Given how well he's playing he's probably gone to the NFL after next year anyway, so we'd get one year max out of him. State would also probably back up a Brinks truck to keep him for his junior year as well.

Personally, I think Sam is capable of being a very good dual-threat QB. He's dropped some dimes under pressure, but he's also made some boneheaded mistakes. Our OL isn't doing him any favors in pass protection, but his running ability is the truth. The only question is whether or not he's capable of improving (especially given the state of our OL this year).

It might be worth it if Sam is "good enough" this year (as a passer) to see where he's at in spring next year. If he's able to make some (any!) improvement in his passing and pocket awareness this year, I'm betting he could make a second-year jump like our other Heisman QB's made - assuming he wants it bad enough.

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Who cares what penis head says?

Dont call him that. Thats not nice.

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I've always said he looks like a hobgoblin or Gollum.

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Why would no one be stating the truth? OM got rid of Lane, period. So why is the media in lock step to stay away from explaining that truth?

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Simple: the media profits from viewers, clicks, and user engagement on social media platforms.

And nothing engages people more than anger and hate. Presenting an accurate and fair perspective (as you described) wouldn't provide half the interest and engagement that the current rage-bait narrative provides.

It's all about the money.