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re: I'll give Sumlin this, he's changed up his recruiting strategy
Posted on 12/2/16 at 12:13 pm to Cooter Davenport
Posted on 12/2/16 at 12:13 pm to Cooter Davenport
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I just want to go on record as saying I don't believe any of this and expect none of it to happen.
I accept apologies in the form of Layne's gift cards and sexual favors. Thanks and Gig 'em.
More on the way this weekend. FWIW, Liucci's info about Stidham is dead arse wrong. I don't know if he's misinformed or lying as a means of hedging so he can say we didn't want him if he goes to Auburn, but the claim we have moved on and aren't interested is 100% false.
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Posted on 12/2/16 at 12:43 pm to Roger Klarvin
A more plausible scenario is that Sumlin and Co. recruited Stidham, but Stidham lost interest in us and now the coaches don't feel they are going to land him. That's probably the reason they have stopped recruiting him. Billy Liucci saying we were the ones no longer interested is probably just spin. I doubt Sumlin is so negligent to just stop recruiting a need position like some of you believe.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 3:00 pm to Texas Weazel
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A more plausible scenario is that Sumlin and Co. recruited Stidham, but Stidham lost interest in us and now the coaches don't feel they are going to land him. That's probably the reason they have stopped recruiting him. Billy Liucci saying we were the ones no longer interested is probably just spin. I doubt Sumlin is so negligent to just stop recruiting a need position like some of you believe.
I dunno. If starkle is as good as touted, he might be thinking long term. He can ride a jff like qb with a marginally better defense to 10 wins with losses to bama and some school we should beat by 30, finally beat LSU, then get carried off the field next year and wait for mond to develop so he can hold us hostage with another ridiculous contract.
At this point, I have zero faith in the competency of our athletic department. We do the stupidest shite and agree to the worst contracts. We act like we're a fricking small school with no history and these guys can tell us what we're gonna do. We are TAMC damnit! We need to fricking start acting like it and tell people what the frick they will do or else.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 3:03 pm to Masterag
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At this point, I have zero faith in the competency of our athletic department.
Umm... you know we have a new AD, right? And that he was hired well after Sumlin's ridiculous contract?
Posted on 12/2/16 at 3:27 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:all i have is canes. can those act as substitute?
Layne's gift cards
Posted on 12/2/16 at 3:27 pm to finestfirst79
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Umm... you know we have a new AD, right? And that he was hired well after Sumlin's ridiculous contract?
We've done stupid contracts with the last 2 ADs, probably the ones prior as well.
Seems to be a problem on a institutional level.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 3:31 pm to finestfirst79
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Umm... you know we have a new AD, right? And that he was hired well after Sumlin's ridiculous contract?
Yes I know, but it seems like no matter who the AD we've been doing dumb shite for nearly two decades. I'm reserving optimism until further proof of competence.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 3:46 pm to NanosTacoRun
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We've done stupid contracts with the last 2 ADs
Last three.
The Slocum 7-year guaranteed extension happened under Groff's watch (1998)
The Franchione 6-year guaranteed extension happened under Byrne's watch (2004)
The Sherman 6-year guaranteed contract happened under Byrne's watch (2008)
The Sumlin 6-year guaranteed extension happened under Hyman's watch (2013)
So far, none of those coaches made it to year 5 of that contract/extension.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 3:49 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I accept apologies in the form of Layne's gift cards and tongue-cleaned buttholes.
Fixed
Posted on 12/2/16 at 3:50 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
God damn we look like some fricking hillbillies with all those guaranteed contracts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 3:52 pm to Texas Weazel
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I doubt Sumlin is so negligent to just stop recruiting a need position like some of you believe.
It is a great example of how Billy can't see the forest for the trees.
He talks down our desire for certain recruits to insulate himself from anger among his subscribers, but in turn alienates people from Sumlin.
He needs to just admit to everyone that he isn't the scoop guy, he is the in-depth information guy once something has happened.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 4:07 pm to Masterag
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Yes I know, but it seems like no matter who the AD we've been doing dumb shite for nearly two decades. I'm reserving optimism until further proof of competence.
Guessing is fine, as long as you acknowledge to yourself that you're guessing.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:12 pm to finestfirst79
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Guessing is fine, as long as you acknowledge to yourself that you're guessing.
Let's look at Woodward's past...
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Cohen’s predecessor, Scott Woodward, gave Romar a 10-year contract extension that pays him $1.7 million annually and expires after the 2019-20 season.
Securing Romar to a long-term deal made sense in 2010 following a run to the Sweet 16 when he was drawing interest from college and NBA teams.
Since then, Washington has made just one NCAA tournament appearance and has a five-year Big Dance drought — its longest since a 12-year absence between 1986 and 1998. Romar is the only coach in a Power 5 conference who hasn’t taken his current team to the tourney in the past five years.
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Cohen’s predecessor, Scott Woodward, gave Romar a 10-year contract extension that pays him $1.7 million annually and expires after the 2019-20 season.
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a 10-year contract extension
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Romar is the only coach in a Power 5 conference who hasn’t taken his current team to the tourney in the past five years.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:21 pm to NanosTacoRun
You do know if he had not given him that raise, Romar would have left. Then you'd be complaining today about how he ran away their successful Sweet 16 coach to the NBA because he called his bluff.
College sports is a business. Being mad at lucrative contracts and high buyouts is pretty damn stupid. They have to happen if you want to attract the best talent.
College sports is a business. Being mad at lucrative contracts and high buyouts is pretty damn stupid. They have to happen if you want to attract the best talent.
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 12/2/16 at 6:27 pm to NanosTacoRun
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Romar is the only coach in a Power 5 conference who hasn’t taken his current team to the tourney in the past five years.
That's actually not true. Here's a list of P5 schools who have not made the tournament in the past 5 years and still have the same coach.
Clemson
Florida State
Penn State
Washington
And a special shout out to Northwestern who have never made the NCAA tournament.
Also if these schools don't make the tourney this year then you can them to the list.
DePaul (Big East counts as a power conference)
Illinois
South Carolina
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 12/2/16 at 7:46 pm to Texas Weazel
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Being mad at lucrative contracts and high buyouts is pretty damn stupid. They have to happen if you want to attract the best talent.
No they don't. Most experienced talent does not mean best. We're probably a top 10 job in the country. If an up and coming coach knows that must produce on the front end to get paid on he back end, he'll take the offer we make him. And if he leaves, frick him well find someone with more integrity.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:07 pm to Masterag
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No they don't. Most experienced talent does not mean best. We're probably a top 10 job in the country. If an up and coming coach knows that must produce on the front end to get paid on he back end, he'll take the offer we make him. And if he leaves, frick him well find someone with more integrity.
Nobody said experienced meant being the best.
If we want a coach and let him walk due to money, half of this board would lose it. We would go from complaining about giving huge contracts to letting great prospects walk because of money. We can't have it both ways. We have to pay the money, it's part of doing business and attracting/keeping the best candidates. We are quick to forget that Sumlin was being poached by USC when we gave him that huge contract. We did what our boosters thought was best at the time.
Integrity means nothing in this business.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:37 pm to Mars United
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That's actually not true. Here's a list of P5 schools who have not made the tournament in the past 5 years and still have the same coach.
Clemson
Florida State
Penn State
Washington
And a special shout out to Northwestern who have never made the NCAA tournament
You're right. I just quoted what the article said. Florida State made it 5 years ago and Northwestern's coach is in Year 4, so Clemson, PSU and Washington are the only 3 to go 5 years without a tourney appearance for 5 years and not fire their coach.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:40 pm to Texas Weazel
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Being mad at lucrative contracts and high buyouts is pretty damn stupid.
This seems to be implying that there are no bad contracts in college sports, if you're saying it's dumb to criticize a contract.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:01 pm to NanosTacoRun
After the Texas Bowl this year, Sumlin can walk away from A&M (with 3 years left on his contract) and not pay A&M a dime. A&M would owe Sumlin $15 million if we want to fire him.
That's after being one of the highest paid coaches in the nation for the past 3 years, each which he produced disappointing results. And he is owed the money within 60 days (does any other coach in the nation have such a clause). And the buyout has no offset, which is also very rare.
So to recap, the contract we gave him:
-is one of the highest in the nation
-has one of the highest buyouts in the nation
-has no protection for A&M
-has the worst buyout-timeframe clause in the nation
-has the worst buyout-offset clause in the nation
... and when taken as a whole, prevents us from firing him. That seems like the textbook case for a contract worth complaining about
That's after being one of the highest paid coaches in the nation for the past 3 years, each which he produced disappointing results. And he is owed the money within 60 days (does any other coach in the nation have such a clause). And the buyout has no offset, which is also very rare.
So to recap, the contract we gave him:
-is one of the highest in the nation
-has one of the highest buyouts in the nation
-has no protection for A&M
-has the worst buyout-timeframe clause in the nation
-has the worst buyout-offset clause in the nation
... and when taken as a whole, prevents us from firing him. That seems like the textbook case for a contract worth complaining about
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