re: I'll give Sumlin this, he's changed up his recruiting strategy

Refresh my memory: when was this contract inked? Thanks.

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This seems to be implying that there are no bad contracts in college sports, if

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On the contrary. I'm actually implying that there are way too many bad contracts, but that's due to the nature of the business. Giving out these ridiculous contracts is inevitable since not doing so would create instability within a program (see Cougar High losing Briles, Sumlin, & Herman).

Which is why complaining is stupid. Every big school does it out of necessity. If we didn't do it, we'd be searching for a coach anytime we would have success. We would have lost Fran after 2006, Sherman after 2010, and Sumlin after 2012.

There's no way anyone would have poached our coach in ANY of those years.

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No one is crying about anything. Just pointing out how terrible the contract is and how stupid we were to give it to him.

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Again, if we didn't give him that contract, this board would have melted into oblivion. We had a coach who had just won a Heisman, had beaten Alabama, and destroyed the living shite out of Oklahoma. The contract we gave him was just enough to counter USC's generous offer and to ward off future inquiries. Our boosters aren't stupid. They didn't blindly give him a huge contract just because they could. What needed to be done was done. The contract may be outrageous in your eyes, but it did its job of keeping Sumlin from leaving somewhere else.

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And we're absolutely awful at it, if the past 2 decades have taught us anything. Our ROI is terrible and now we are putting in awful clauses that offer us no protection and hamstring our ability to make smart football decisions.

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Really? Because as an Athletic Department we are very profitable. Ludicrous buyouts (for the last time) are just the nature of business. Every school puts ridiculous buyouts, it's not just us.

Texas Tech would have to pay $9.4 MM to fire Pretty Boy
LSU had to pay $8.9 MM
Texas had to pay $11.15 MM
Oregon had to pay $11.5 MM
Oklahoma would have to pay $24.79 MM
FSU would have to pay $33.125 MM
Michigan would have to pay $25.55 MM
Iowa would have to pay $25.3 MM
Clemson would have to pay $20 MM

See the trend? Only 3 of those coaches have won a national championship (and truth be told they probably won't win one again). So whining about something so trivial is pretty dumb. Everyone does it in order to make their program an attractive destination.

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FWIW, Liucci's info about Stidham is dead arse wrong. I don't know if he's misinformed or lying as a means of hedging so he can say we didn't want him if he goes to Auburn, but the claim we have moved on and aren't interested is 100% false.

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Don't know exactly what Liucci said, but Hamm is now saying the staff is not recruiting Stidham.

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Texas Tech would have to pay $9.4 MM to fire Pretty Boy
LSU had to pay $8.9 MM
Texas had to pay $11.15 MM
Oregon had to pay $11.5 MM

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So everyone that paid, had to pay a hell of a lot less than we would have to. And I'm betting most, if not all, have offset clauses. And none were due within 60 days

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Oklahoma would have to pay $24.79 MM
FSU would have to pay $33.125 MM
Michigan would have to pay $25.55 MM
Iowa would have to pay $25.3 MM
Clemson would have to pay $20 MM

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Ferentz's contract is awful, without a doubt. The other 4 coaches have accomplished so much more compared to Sumlin, it'll make your head spin. Even if those guys were to be fired at some point, which none will, they have actual track records that justify large guaranteed money.

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So everyone that paid, had to pay a hell of a lot less than we would have to. And I'm betting most, if not all, have offset clauses. And none were due within 60 days

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You're betting very wrong. A lot of contracts have different clauses, but for the most part coaches' agents make sure their clients have an out and get paid if terminated.

Also, the amount you pay is also based on the number of years left in the contract. If Texas fired Strong last year, they would have paid over 17 million (and they considered it too).

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Ferentz's contract is awful, without a doubt. The other 4 coaches have accomplished so much more compared to Sumlin, it'll make your head spin. They have actual track records that justify large guaranteed money.

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What track records are those? Bob Stoops hasn't won jackshit since his first national championship. He's blown more opportunities than I can remember.

Jimbo is one game better than us in a way weaker conference this year. Dude's 9-3 and is probably not going back to the playoff anytime soon.

Dabo struggled against Troy, Auburn, NC State, FSU, and lost to Pitt. We actually had a more impressive victory against Auburn than he did (can't argue that it was when they were down because that's when Dabo played them too). We all know he's about to fall on his face against Alabama again. He's a product of an easy ACC schedule. His only hump was Louisville.

And what exactly has Harbaugh done to deserve that contract? He hasn't won a P5 conference championship and for all we know he's could fizzle out next season just like Sumlin did once Brady Hoke's talent dries up. If you ask me, Michigan gambled, just like we did.

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You can criticize who they hire, but don't criticize the contract. If you think Sumlin is a bad coach, that's fine. But even you know they paid what was fair market value at the time. You just like to argue for whatever reason.

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1. Top 10 pay out of 128 coaches is not "fair" market value for an unproven coach.

2. Everybody is more mad about them guaranteeing the entire contract than they are about the amount.

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1. Top 10 pay out of 128 coaches is not "fair" market value for an unproven coach.

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Again, you're are thinking about today. This contract was written with what we knew at the end of the 2012 season. USC was offering something along those lines too. It was fair market value at the time because USC was willing to pay him as well.

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2. Everybody is more mad about them guaranteeing the entire contract than they are about the amount

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Almost every major program today is guaranteeing money. See the list (and there's a whole lot more).

For the last time, you want to cry about the hire, that's fine. But don't cry about the contract.

Calm down Billy.

I'll cry about whatever I please.