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re: Why did Saban not have the same type success at LSU?
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:48 pm to BHMKyle
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:48 pm to BHMKyle
REC. That and Emmert couldn't control the NCAA for his office at LSU. Allow any coach to make his own rules and any school with enough money can buy the players to win 90% of their games with just about any HC.
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:49 pm to lsupride87
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so now you are completely changing your argument
No, I'm not. My opinion is that Bama does more to contribute to a HC's success than vice versa. Of course, we would not have had the success over the past ten years if not for Saban, but his affiliation with Bama during that time is a large part of his own personal success. And I don't think that Saban would have had this type of success if he'd stayed at LSU. He would have won some championships but not at the rate he has been winning them at Bama.
Hence, my prior references to history supporting me, rather than you.
Good arguments both ways, tbh...I just disagree with yours.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:54 pm to BHMKyle
He was in his way. He had established some very good talent at LSU. Les despite what some ranters claim did not recruit the way Saban did.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:55 pm to Sid E Walker
quote:Please explain besides using what happens in 1992 or 1925
And I don't think that Saban would have had this type of success if he'd stayed at LSU. He would have won some championships but not at the rate he has been winning them at Bama.
The coach is the same(Saban). So you must think Saban wouldn't get as good of players to lsu?
Well, why was he getting #1 classes at lsu?
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 6:16 pm to ELVIS U
quote:That's about the best explanation we'll hear on this forum!
Because that jockey is riding a faster horse now, right?
Alabama is like 51-25 against LSU, and that ain't just Saban, partner.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 6:34 pm to RollTide1987
First off, Gene Stalling coached the Aggies and then the St. Louis (now Arizona) Cardinals; not exactly noted powerhouses. The functionality of the organization does play a part as one of many factors.
Woah there.
Gene Stallings did not compile a 70-16-1 record at Alabama. In Alabama fashion, they cheated and had to forfeit games; so his record is 62-25.
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promptly goes 70-16-1
Woah there.
Gene Stallings did not compile a 70-16-1 record at Alabama. In Alabama fashion, they cheated and had to forfeit games; so his record is 62-25.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 6:36 pm to bbrownso
Because he left
Posted on 9/29/17 at 6:55 pm to BHMKyle
seriously, you need to ask this question? Alabama is Alabama and even bad coaches win 7 or 8 games a year there. LSU had not been relevant in football in 50 years other than a good team every now and then. Don;t you remember that Alabama went 31 years without losing a game in tiger stadium? ITs apples to oranges.
Had Saban stayed at LSU it would be exactly what Alabama is today, he had them on the way to being the premier football team in the nation.
Had Saban stayed at LSU it would be exactly what Alabama is today, he had them on the way to being the premier football team in the nation.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 6:55 pm to mountain D values
quote:indeed
Probably because Alabama is a better job than LSU
Posted on 9/29/17 at 6:55 pm to KiwiHead
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I would not hesitate to say that if Saban was coaching that team with Fisher as the OC we win that game and we would have avenged the defeat against FLA in the SECCG because by year's end, LSU probably was the best team in the county with Miles as the HC
Except...
UF held the #1 team in the country in the National Title game to 82 total yards and made the Heisman Trophy winner look like absolute garbage.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 7:00 pm to boXerrumble
I think lsu and uf were the two best teams in 2006. I know that isn't saying much as they finished #1 and #3 
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 7:02 pm to TT9
quote:Please explain. No troll
indeed
What makes it better in 2017
Money?
Facilities?
Ease of recruits?
Posted on 9/29/17 at 7:05 pm to lsupride87
quote:all of this and would add, pay whatever to bring a coach in. Dabo is on deck when Saban retires.
Money?
Facilities?
Ease of recruits?
Posted on 9/29/17 at 7:07 pm to lsupride87
There literally isn't a single thing about the LSU job that trumps the Bama job (apart from in State recruiting, which is a moot point considering Saban owns LA as well.)
Brand recognition? Bama
Ability to recruit nationally? Bama
Facilities? Bama
Fan support? Bama
Resources? Bama
Administration? Bama
Not having to live in Baton Rouge? Bama
Brand recognition? Bama
Ability to recruit nationally? Bama
Facilities? Bama
Fan support? Bama
Resources? Bama
Administration? Bama
Not having to live in Baton Rouge? Bama
Posted on 9/29/17 at 7:08 pm to TT9
I disagree y'all have better facilities. This is a wash for just about every major program. They all keep renovating
I disagree y'all pay more as our coaching staff has actually been higher paid than yalls(sad but true)
And with an elite coach I think the recruiting is a complete wash
I disagree y'all pay more as our coaching staff has actually been higher paid than yalls(sad but true
) And with an elite coach I think the recruiting is a complete wash
Posted on 9/29/17 at 7:09 pm to BHMKyle
Jonathan Allen said it best...
"Alabama does"
End/thread
"Alabama does"
End/thread
Posted on 9/29/17 at 7:09 pm to mountain D values
Bingo
Posted on 9/29/17 at 7:13 pm to mountain D values
quote:This is redundant with recruiting
Brand recognition? Bama
quote:disagree
Ability to recruit nationally? Bama
quote:explain.
Facilities? Bama
quote:lol. Wash. And once again, this is redundant with recruiting
Fan support? Bama
quote:out shite coaching staff over the years has been higher paid than theirs
Resources? Bama
quote:You think they would tell Saban how to coach?
Administration? Bama
quote:baton rouge and Tuscaloosa are both shitholes
Not having to live in Baton Rouge? Bama
Posted on 9/29/17 at 7:18 pm to BHMKyle
At Bama he was proven commodity and recruiting was better?
Posted on 9/29/17 at 7:19 pm to lsupride87
LSU cannot recruit nationally to the extent Bama can, it's not really a debateable issue.
Tiger Stadium is 1/4 empty by the 3rd quarter in the majority of home games, but fan support is equal lol?
BDS is a much nicer stadium than Tiger Stadium, obviously their facilities are cutting edge in all other aspects, but this really isn't a deal breaker.
Bama will pay whatever Saban/Dabo ask them to pay assistants, LSU have overpaid for average assistants so this really isn't a wash.
Bama's administration is far superior to King/Alleva.
LSU is in no way, shape, or form an equal job to Alabama, nor is it really that close. If it were, Ed Orgeron would not be your head coach. The only job really comparable to Bama is Ohio State.
Tiger Stadium is 1/4 empty by the 3rd quarter in the majority of home games, but fan support is equal lol?
BDS is a much nicer stadium than Tiger Stadium, obviously their facilities are cutting edge in all other aspects, but this really isn't a deal breaker.
Bama will pay whatever Saban/Dabo ask them to pay assistants, LSU have overpaid for average assistants so this really isn't a wash.
Bama's administration is far superior to King/Alleva.
LSU is in no way, shape, or form an equal job to Alabama, nor is it really that close. If it were, Ed Orgeron would not be your head coach. The only job really comparable to Bama is Ohio State.
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