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Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:06 pm to The muffintime
You put Saban at any SEC school and he would be super successful but Bama has always been a Blue Blood and that's why the other schools you mentioned are just not comparable.
Yes, you can make an argument he would be almost as successful at any of the Big 6.
Yes, you can make an argument he would be almost as successful at any of the Big 6.
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:07 pm to lsupride87
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I just don't see why we are using data that doesn't matter
If this thread was made in 1989, you would have been trying to convince me Florida had no chance to every be a power in the sec....
Which would tend to prove that Florida needs an extraordinary HC to succeed, much like LSU.
Bama has had great success with much lesser HCs.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:07 pm to Hussss
quote:The history isn't comparable....big fricking BUT though....
You put Saban at any SEC school and he would be super successful but Bama has always been a Blue Blood and that's why the other schools you mentioned are just not comparable.
Any big 6 under Saban becomes what Bama is now. Even UT.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:09 pm to Sid E Walker
quote:doesn't prove that or even suggest it. Long-term, national power success comes only with very good to great coaches at a school they can recruit at. Good years (even multiple good years) can come anywhere. WILL MUSCHAMP WENT 12-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If that doesn't close this question nothing ever will.
Which would tend to prove that Florida needs an extraordinary HC to succeed, much like LSU.
I won't even go in to the state of the SEC in the 20th century.
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:09 pm to BHMKyle
The answer you want: Alabama is such a better program than LSU
The actual answer: coaches learn and get better as they gain experience
The actual answer: coaches learn and get better as they gain experience
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:10 pm to The muffintime
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LSU fans should be upset. Gators get it probably better than anybody else.
If urban went to Georgia or Tenn you would understand.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:11 pm to Roaring Cowboy
quote:For the record guys this is the third time I've conceded this point. You owe me, LSU. I've been putting in serious work for you guys in this thread.
If urban went to Georgia or Tenn you would understand.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:24 pm to Sid E Walker
quote:Since integration, lsu has 5 sec titles and 1 national title without an elite head coach in 45 eligible seasons, so averaging 1 Sec title every 9 years and 1 national title every 45 seasons
Which would tend to prove that Florida needs an extraordinary HC to succeed, much like LSU.
Bama has had great success with much lesser HCs.
Bama has 3 conference titles and 1 national title in 25 eligible seasons
So averaging 1 sec title every 8 years and 1 national title every 25 years
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:27 pm to The muffintime
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Would have been you had Saban not had that ego that pushed him to Miami.
Maybe. But over the past year I've come to realize LSU is not all in on football like Alabama is. If Saban didn't leave for the Dolphins, he would have left for another offer that LSU would have been unable, or unwilling, to match.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:27 pm to BHMKyle
Because Alabama is the pride of Dixie Land and a National Brand while LSU is not. There is a pecking order for recruits in each state and Alabama is in the top 3 for the most important ones.
#1 in Alabama
#3 in Mississippi
#2/3 in Georgia
# 3 in Florida
#2 in Tennessee
#2/3 in Louisiana.
No other Southern school can go in as many Southern States and compete for the best players at any position.
All of that combined with being a national brand, the administration and financial support is why Bama is Bama.
#1 in Alabama
#3 in Mississippi
#2/3 in Georgia
# 3 in Florida
#2 in Tennessee
#2/3 in Louisiana.
No other Southern school can go in as many Southern States and compete for the best players at any position.
All of that combined with being a national brand, the administration and financial support is why Bama is Bama.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:28 pm to Chimlim
quote:You are an idiot. We made Saban the highest paid coach in the NCAA
aybe. But over the past year I've come to realize LSU is not all in on football like Alabama is. If Saban didn't leave for the Dolphins, he would have left for another offer that LSU would have been unable, or unwilling, to match.
We also made Miles the highest paid coach in the NCAA
We also have had the highest paid coaching staff in the country 4/6 seasos
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:29 pm to BhamDore
quote:This would all make sense, except for the fact we were pulling in #1 classes with Saban....
Because Alabama is the pride of Dixie Land and a National Brand while LSU is not. There is a pecking order for recruits in each state and Alabama is in the top 3 for the most important ones.
#1 in Alabama
#3 in Mississippi
#2/3 in Georgia
# 3 in Florida
#2 in Tennessee
#2/3 in Louisiana.
No other Southern school can go in as many Southern States and compete for the best players at any position.
All of that combined with being a national brand, the administration and financial support is why Bama is Bama.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:31 pm to BHMKyle
when he came to LSU he was Nick Saban up and coming coach.
When he took over Alabama he was Nick sticking Saban one of the best college coaches out there.
You have to remember how set LSU was the next three years. He probably would have won another championship at some point.
When he took over Alabama he was Nick sticking Saban one of the best college coaches out there.
You have to remember how set LSU was the next three years. He probably would have won another championship at some point.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:36 pm to lsupride87
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Since integration, lsu has 5 sec titles and 1 national title without an elite head coach in 45 eligible seasons, so averaging 1 Sec title every 9 years and 1 national title every 45 seasons
Bama has 3 conference titles and 1 national title in 25 eligible seasons
So averaging 1 sec title every 8 years and 1 national title every 25 years
Hmmm...
It's interesting that you use 45 years to compile those stats for LSU and only 25 years to compile Bama's.
Use your 45 year timeline for Bama and let me know what the numbers are.
(As an aside...you might want to start at 1971 if you want post-integration stats.)
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:37 pm to Sid E Walker
It's because lsu hasn't had an elite coach for 45 seasons since 1967
Bama has only not had an elite coach 25 seasons since 1967
Pretty simple
I broke it down to averages because it was unfair we had more eligible seasons...
Bama has only not had an elite coach 25 seasons since 1967
Pretty simple
I broke it down to averages because it was unfair we had more eligible seasons...
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:39 pm to Sid E Walker
quote:dont think it will change anything. Bear didn't retire until the 80s anyway
(As an aside...you might want to start at 1971 if you want post-integration stats.)
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:40 pm to lsupride87
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It's because lsu hasn't had an elite coach for 45 seasons since 1967
Bama has only not had an elite coach 25 seasons since 1967
Pretty simple
I broke it down to averages because it was unfair we had more eligible seasons...
Or...it's because Bama makes coaches elite.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:41 pm to Sid E Walker
quote:so now you are completely changing your argument
Or...it's because Bama makes coaches elite.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:42 pm to BHMKyle
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Record vs. Opponents that finished #3-#25 in the AP:
at LSU (2001-2004): 6-9 (40.0%)
at Bama (2008-2011): 10-2 (83.3%)
Why on Earth did you choose AP #3-25 and exclude 1 and 2?
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