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re: Where did the Alabama basketball arrogance come from?

Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:42 pm to
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:42 pm to
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There are 64 teams in the tournament. It’s not too much to ask to be one of the top 64 teams.


That isn't how that works
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:44 pm to
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That isn't how that works

I know that’s not how it works. I’m just saying it’s not too much to ask to be one of 64 teams every now and than since 64 is still a lot.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 12:45 pm
Posted by Wallacewade04
Valhalla
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:49 pm to
Didn't we frick up LSU twice this year?
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:51 pm to
Alabama has beaten LSU the last five outings in basketball.
Posted by Lordofwrath88
Tuscaloosa
Member since Oct 2012
6857 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:52 pm to
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Historically they are one of the least prestigious basketball programs in the SEC.



so do you just like screaming random nonsense into the darkness?
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:57 pm to
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They all of a sudden expect to be a premier, no doubt tournament team every year or fire their coach.


It's always been that way. It started after they had a strong decade or so under Wimp Sanderson back in the '80s / early '90s. For some reason though Bama fans still think that blip on the radar is the norm and can't understand why every season doesn't turn out like they want.

There is potential there, but they have one of the worst venues in the SEC, and the strength of their football program actually hurts them with elite basketball recruits. Why go to Bama and play a second tier sport when they could go to Kentucky and be a star on campus?
Posted by Lordofwrath88
Tuscaloosa
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:00 pm to
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For some reason though Georgia fans still think that blip on the radar is the norm and can't understand why every season doesn't turn out like they want.



muh number one recruiting class
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 1:00 pm
Posted by Wallacewade04
Valhalla
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:00 pm to
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There is potential there, but they have one of the worst venues in the SEC


Coleman really is holding Alabama basketball back
Posted by Lordofwrath88
Tuscaloosa
Member since Oct 2012
6857 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:00 pm to
And it's not going anywhere. Million dollar renovations are in the works for 2020. We're playing in Coleman for the next decade at least.
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:01 pm to
Apparently your mind.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:05 pm to
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It's always been that way. It started after they had a strong decade or so under Wimp Sanderson back in the '80s / early '90s. For some reason though Bama fans still think that blip on the radar is the norm and can't understand why every season doesn't turn out like they want.


It started with CM Newton in the 1970s. And continued with Sanderson. Gottfried wasn’t bad from 1998-2009, but it ended poorly.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:09 pm to
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For some reason though Bama fans still think that blip on the radar is the norm and can't understand why every season doesn't turn out like they want.


Every season? Where did this lunacy come from?Alabama expects to be in the tournament conversation most years, make the Tournament 2/3 of the time and be in conference title contention once every 4/5 years. It's not that high an expectation. Being pissed off about this performance in Year 3 in which we've totally fallen off a cliff in the most important 5 game stretch of the year is hardly irrational.

Alabama went to 17 NCAA Tournaments in 24 years from 1982 to 2006 under 3 separate head coaches. We've been to 1 in the last 11 years and are about to be 1 in the last 12 years. Sorry, but it's realistic to expect more than that. It is not too high a bar to set.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 1:13 pm
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37632 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:32 pm to
Other programs have balanced both programs ie Florida and Michigan come to mind. If anything it should help us. The commitment to facilities will hopefully be addressed given the explosion in development. The AD knows it’s an issue but the product on the floor needs to get better.

I remember the Sanderson years and as others have pointed out Hobbs had some good success. Going to the dance every year was a given. We just want to be competitive again, get back to the tourney, and make a decent run.
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:32 pm to
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Actually, Alabama is behind only Kentucky in SEC tournament titles.


zzzz

Everyone knows a basketball program's success is completely dependent on NCAA Tournament success. That SEC Tournament claim should come with a gigantic asterisk next to it:

1. Arkansas is a much better program all-time but didn't join the league until 1992
2. Missouri is a much better program all-time but didn't join the league until 2012
3. Florida was a bottom-tier SEC program up until about 20 years ago, but because of their NCAA Tournament success (and 2 National Titles), they've far surpassed Alabama as a program.
Posted by TiderNAL
Member since Nov 2010
7187 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:39 pm to
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Jack Daniel


Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:45 pm to
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Every season? Where did this lunacy come from?Alabama expects to be in the tournament conversation most years, make the Tournament 2/3 of the time and be in conference title contention once every 4/5 years.


Yes, which is not realistic.

Bama is not a program that has ever made the NCAA Tournament 2 out of every 3 seasons with the exception of a relatively short time period under Wimp Sanderson.

Alabama Pre-Wimp Sanderson:
*Made the NCAA Tournament twice in 1975 and then again in 1976... then proceeded to miss it the next five seasons.

Alabama During Wimp Sanderson:
Alabama made the Tournament in 10 out of 12 seasons under Wimp.... by far the Golden Age of Alabama Basketball

Alabama Post-Wimp Sanderson:
Alabama has made the Tournament 8 times out of 23 seasons.

Again, aside from the 1980s under Wimp, and a very brief 5-year run under Gottfried, Bama basketball has almost zero NCAA Tournament success.

For Bama fans to expect to be the type of program to make the field 2 out of every 3 years does not match up with your program's history. It'd be like Arkansas fans demanding their program be a perennial Top 10 team in football every single year despite that not ever really happening since Broyles. It's just not realistic.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:49 pm to
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And of course they’ve made it to a Final Four that one time.


OP made a lame post. With that said, LSU has been to 4 Final Fours. Not UK,Duke or Kansas stuff,but for an SEC team not named Kentucky,that's not too shabby.
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:50 pm to
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Alabama went to 17 NCAA Tournaments in 24 years from 1982 to 2006 under 3 separate head coaches.


Skewed by Wimp Sanderson going 10 times in 11 seasons. Take 1982-1992 out of the equation, and Bama has been 8 times in 24 seasons..... and prior to Wimp Bama had only been twice ever. Obviously that 11-year run under Wimp Sanderson skews everything. It was not norm.

Bama was never the type of program that made the Tourney 2 out of 3 seasons prior to Wimp... and they've not been that type of program Post-Wimp either. Gottfried did have a good run of 5 consecutive years in the Tournament, but that run was also bookended by 5+ seasons of no tournament appearances both before and after.
Posted by lion
Member since Aug 2016
765 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:55 pm to
Apparently you do not realize that for a very long time only one team from a conference could make the tournament - and thats a problem when Kentucky is in your conference.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72191 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 2:02 pm to
Your argument suggests the same should be said for every program sans Kentucky.
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