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Oklahoma may have been more consistently ranked over the years (barely), but if you value Championships at all, there is no way that OU is ahead of Bama.

re: Question of success in basketball

Posted by BHMKyle on 2/11/22 at 3:05 pm
My opinion.... NCAA Tournament success trumps everything

1. Elite 8
2. SEC Regular Season
3. SEC Tournament

I'd probably even take a Sweet 16 appearance over an SEC Title, but that's just me.
The time of this is pretty funny.

Get beat by your arch rival in their world class arena, and the next day go out and decide to copy said arena. Don't get me wrong, I wish Georgia would follow the same blueprint as well. But its amazing what your program slipping in comparison to your arch rival will do to suddenly shake the money tree.
Georgia last.

Yep, formula looks legit.
My vote is Auburn. They've proven over time they have the capacity to come back from what appears to be a program death spiral to a magical season in very short order.

For example:

1991: 5-6
1992: 5-5-1
1993: 11-0 and a #4 finish

1998: 3-8
1999: 5-6
2000: 9-4 SEC West Champs

2008: 5-7
2009: 8-5
2010: 13-0 National Champs

2012: 3-9
2013: 12-2 SEC Champs, NC Game Appearance

I mean we see the same script every few years so I don't know why anyone would be surprised for it to happen again.

Meanwhile Tennessee doesn't have a Top 20 finish since 2007 and no Top 10 finishes since 2001.
I think Cal is lashing out because he knows his program is currently not up to historical Kentucky standards.

Based on what I can tell, only 8 times in Kentucky history has another program played even or better with Kentucky over a period of 7 seasons or longer.... 25% of those occurrences are current and possibly ongoing.

All-Time Best 7+ Season Performances Against Kentucky in SEC History by Winning Percentage during the period:

.609- Tennessee (14-9), 1975-1985... 11 seasons
.600- Florida (9-6), 2005-2011... 7 seasons
.545- Auburn (6-5), 2016-NOW... 7 seasons
.533- Tennessee (8-7), 2016-NOW... 7 seasons

.533- Vanderbilt (8-7), 2006-2012... 7 seasons
.500- LSU (8-8), 1978-1984... 7 seasons
.500- Arkansas (4-4), 2008-2014... 7 seasons
.500- Georgia Tech (7-7), 1958-1964... 7 seasons

**Alabama had a very long period throughout the 1970s and 1980s in which they had very good success against Kentucky, but there was never a 7+ year period in which they led the series or were even.... they were usually 1-2 games back from .500 at any given time.

**LSU's period of success against Kentucky mentioned above (1978-1984) continued through the early 1990s to some extent, but it dropped the overall record to just slightly below .500 to carry it out that far

Bottom line is that while Cal has had relatively good success, since about 2016 Kentucky has not been as dominant as they probably should have been considering their talent level and access to talent.

I think the sounds you hear out of Cal's mouth are his whining to try to justify why another program (or 2) are arguably on par with his program over a fairly prolonged period of time.
Just did the math. Since the 2018 season, here are the SEC records for each program:

.679- Kentucky (57-27)
.651- Tennessee (56-30)
.643- Auburn (54-30)
.627- LSU (52-31)
.575- Alabama (50-37)
.561- Florida (46-36)
.541- Arkansas (46-39)
.536- Miss St. (45-39)
.438- S. Carolina (35-45)
.432- Texas A&M (32-42)
.420- Missouri (34-47)
.398- Ole Miss (33-50)
.286- Georgia (24-60)
.185- Vanderbilt (15-66)

Auburn looks like they are on pace to finish out the year ranked at #2 in SEC winning percentage over a 5-year stretch, behind only Kentucky.

That seems impressive and not at all fluky.
I agree that being #1 at some random point in the regular season doesn't produce much value unless its followed up with a Big NCAA Tournament performance.

However, this Auburn basketball renaissance appears to be on a more solid foundation compared to some of the flukier successes other SEC programs have had in other sports (i.e. the Mississippi State football team reaching #1 in 2014)

If Pearl hadn't already taken the Auburn program to such success, I'd say this was fleeting. But Pearl seams to have built something that could last.

2018- SEC regular season champs
2019- SEC tournament champs; Final 4
2020- was headed towards being a 5-seed in the NCAA tournament prior to its cancellation
2021- -
2022- looks to be headed towards an SEC title and possibly more

Auburn has been a Top 20 team in 4 of the past 5 seasons. I'm not saying they are about to be the new Kentucky, obviously. But sustained success appears to be in Auburn's future as long as their program stays out of NCAA trouble.
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One writer dropped us from 1 to 3. I guess he thought we should have beaten Kentucky by a larger margin.


Where did the guy that had auburn 9th have auburn this week?
Congrats. Well deserved.

If there is one bright spot to Auburn's recent basketball success, it is that it shows the rest of the ADs in the SEC that with the right amount of investment and the right coach, any program can in fact win and win big.

Auburn's turnaround is the blueprint for success. Pearl should get a ton of credit, but I think it was Auburn's decision to build the new arena and let the students take the majority of the best seats in the building that was the impetus to the revival of Auburn basketball.
Kentucky is the standard for basketball in the SEC. Everyone knows that. Not sure why UK fans feel the need for validation all the time.

Were AU students more pumped up for UK coming to town than other opponents? Absolutely.

Is all the hype for the game due only to Kentucky? Absolutely not. A quick trip to Stubhub for Auburn's remaining home games proves that. Lowest priced ticket available for an actual seat in Auburn's remaining home games:

Oklahoma: $275
Alabama: $250
Texas A&M: $375
Vanderbilt: $150
Ole Miss: $150
S. Carolina: $200

Obviously those prices have nothing to do with Kentucky.

And apparently the Atlanta area Auburn grads are taking the show on the road to Stegeman to watch the bloodbath ensue when they play my Georgia Bulldogs. According to Stubhub, the get-in price for the Alabama, Arkansas, and Ole Miss games is $6. To watch South Carolina come to Stegeman it will cost you $10..... When Tennessee comes it will cost you $13. When Florida comes it will be $18.

For Auburn??? You'll have to pay $145

Again, doubt that has anything to do with Kentucky.
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I will be at the game. I’m pumped!


It's a shame that Auburn and Kentucky don't play twice this year... with Pearl at Auburn, its becoming arguably the premiere game for the conference each year.

From 1990-2016, Kentucky went 31-1 against Auburn... winning 21 of those 31 by double digits.

Since then, the series is tied 5-5, with 7 of those Kentucky teams having been ranked in the Top 14. Quite a turnaround.
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Switch it to UK/Tennessee or even UK/UF and these would make some sense if they did it that way. You can do geographical rivals in football but the SEC needs to present it's best teams in basketball as much as they can


I agree those are better matchups. But I imagine the state of Tennessee and the Vandy administration would push hard for that annual home game with Tennessee.

SEC Basketball Scheduling after Expansion

Posted by BHMKyle on 1/21/22 at 12:14 pm
Has anyone heard the plan for SEC basketball scheduling after Oklahoma and Texas join the league?

My guess is we'll go to a 15-1-2 game format

**All teams play all 15 other teams at least once
**All teams play 1 extra game against a rival, annually
**All teams play an extra game against 2 rotating teams

If this were the case, its pretty easy to pick the majority of rivalry games that SEC would make sure get played twice each season.... mostly protecting in-state rivalries I imagine:

Alabama-Auburn
Ole Miss-Miss St.
Texas-Texas A&M
Tennessee-Vanderbilt
Georgia-Florida

After those, it gets a bit more difficult pairing up the remaining six teams.

Geographically, it makes the most sense to finish it out like this:

Oklahoma-Missouri
LSU-Arkansas
Kentucky-S. Carolina

Thoughts?


A monster game for sure.

Going back the past 10 seasons.... I very well could have missed one... but as far as I can tell this will be just the 8th time that two SEC teams met in the regular season both ranked in the Top 15.... and this will be the 3rd biggest matchup in terms of combined AP ranking. Those games are:

2019 #1 Tennessee at #5 Kentucky
2019 #4 Kentucky at #7 Tennessee
2022 #12 Kentucky at #2 Auburn
2014 #3 Florida at #14 Kentucky
2019 #5 Tennessee at #13 LSU
2020 #15 Auburn at #8 Kentucky
2017 #13 Florida at #11 Kentucky
2019 #12 Kentucky at #14 Auburn

3 Kentucky-Auburn games
2 Kentucky-Tennessee games
2 Kentucky-Florida games
1 Tennessee-LSU game

Again, I may have missed one, but that's all I saw taking a few glances at each teams past schedules.
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$3 million is a lot.....


Yeah no kidding. Probably why he's not signed with any team yet.
Rumor I heard from an AU grad in my office was that his handlers were demanding a $3 million NIL deal. Coworker told me Auburn had the money ready to offer between $1-$1.5 but they turned it down. Holding out for $3 mil.

Not sure how true that is but it seems legit considering he's still just sitting there waiting.
We're in our 31st season of SEC basketball since Arkansas and S. Carolina joined the league, here are how many championships each program has since then:

29- Kentucky (13 RS, 16 SEC T)
10- Florida (6 RS, 4 SEC T)
4- LSU (4 RS, 0 SEC T)
4- Miss St. (1 RS, 3 SEC T)
3- Alabama (2 RS, 1 SEC T)
3- Arkansas (2 RS, 1 SEC T)
3- Auburn (2 RS, 1 SEC T)
3- Tennessee (3 RS, 0 SEC T)
2- Vanderbilt (1 RS, 1 SEC T)
1- Georgia (0 RS, 1 SEC T)
1- Ole Miss (0 RS, 1 SEC T)
1- S. Carolina (1 RS, 0 SEC T)
1- Texas A&M (1 RS, 0 SEC T)

Observations:

1. Kentucky has dominated

2. Amazing that 13 of 14 programs have won a Championship during this time frame, and the one without one (Mizzou) has only been in the league since 2013.

3. Pretty surprising that neither LSU or Tennessee has won an SEC Touranment

4. Florida has for sure been the #2 most successful program, but all 10 of those Championships were claimed between 2000 and 2014. Unless something crazy happens this season, this will be the 8th consecutive season without a Florida men's basketball SEC title.

re: Lunardi Bracketology

Posted by BHMKyle on 1/18/22 at 11:13 am
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How can Alabama be 100% with their loss to Missouri?


I'm not sure their methodology, but I would imagine wins over Gonzaga, Houston, Tennessee, and Florida have a lot to do with it. Not to mention four of their six losses are Quad 1

re: Lunardi Bracketology

Posted by BHMKyle on 1/18/22 at 11:08 am
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Kentucky has no business being a 3 seed yet. Beating a very average tennessee team like that is fools gold.


I think they are playing well and will end up a 3 or 4 seed. I think at this point, if there is one team other than Auburn that can win the SEC regular season, its Kentucky.... of course that could change Saturday. If Auburn beats the Cats Saturday, they might as well cut the nets.