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What happened to SEC run game dominance?
Posted on 1/4/25 at 9:22 am
Posted on 1/4/25 at 9:22 am
I get that offenses in general have adapted more to the pass, but I have never seen traditional HB running games be so weak, particularly among the teams known for that like UGA, LSU, and Bama. It's not just that teams are running less. And I'm not referring to total ground yardage. Basic football like needing to convert a 3rd and 2 on the ground and getting a 5 yard run on first down to keep long drives going seems inept in the conference. There is no consistency or reliability.
Offensive lines are bigger and stronger than ever. Dominant DT's seem to be declining.
Beyond the talent gap, what has always made the SEC so dominant IMO was the multiple ways our best teams could beat you. If the QB struggled, teams like UGA could still pound the ball and win an ugly game.
Anyone got an explanation for this besides "being soft"?
Offensive lines are bigger and stronger than ever. Dominant DT's seem to be declining.
Beyond the talent gap, what has always made the SEC so dominant IMO was the multiple ways our best teams could beat you. If the QB struggled, teams like UGA could still pound the ball and win an ugly game.
Anyone got an explanation for this besides "being soft"?
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Posted on 1/4/25 at 9:24 am to MillerLiteTime
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Offensive lines are bigger and stronger than ever.
Offensive line coaching has declined tremendously.
All the good ones don't want to deal with recruiting so they left for the NFL.
Posted on 1/4/25 at 9:25 am to MillerLiteTime
Football moves in cycles - SEC is in pass happy cycle. Big 10 runs the football. Hmmmmm.
Posted on 1/4/25 at 9:30 am to MillerLiteTime
There is a lot of big men that can clog up running lanes and fewer take yes running backs.
Pass heavy football is more random like baseball in its outcomes. Match ups, bad days, disruption create disfunction.
Old school run game travelled.
Pass heavy football is more random like baseball in its outcomes. Match ups, bad days, disruption create disfunction.
Old school run game travelled.
Posted on 1/4/25 at 9:32 am to MillerLiteTime
I don’t see any Gurleys Chubbs Richardson’s or Henry types anymore
Posted on 1/4/25 at 9:33 am to MillerLiteTime
Saban went away from it as a response to playing spread offenses from Clemson et al and getting out scored. He went to the spread and the rest of the conference followed suit.
As a result, the SEC got away from its roots (and also what made it dominant) of playing a LOS game and instead went to a quarterback centric philosophy.
It works well when you have a great quarterback (see LSU 2019) but if you don’t your results on the field won’t match your talent level.
The SEC needs to get back to dominant run games.
As a result, the SEC got away from its roots (and also what made it dominant) of playing a LOS game and instead went to a quarterback centric philosophy.
It works well when you have a great quarterback (see LSU 2019) but if you don’t your results on the field won’t match your talent level.
The SEC needs to get back to dominant run games.
Posted on 1/4/25 at 9:55 am to MillerLiteTime
I don’t think that running out of the shotgun is effective for most teams. That’s not down hill running.
Posted on 1/4/25 at 10:21 am to weptiger
Bama and i think UGA have been recruiting huge O'linemen the last few cycles. Some -"5 star can't miss" monsters.
Took em 2 or 3 years to learn technique and enough speed to play up to their potential. Then they went pro.
Those huge O'linemen didn't need technique in high school due to their size.
If NIL keeps a few of these monsters for their 5th year playing together we could see great improvement in line play
I feel it's been a problem at Bama for 3 years at least. - Thats JMHO
Took em 2 or 3 years to learn technique and enough speed to play up to their potential. Then they went pro.
Those huge O'linemen didn't need technique in high school due to their size.
If NIL keeps a few of these monsters for their 5th year playing together we could see great improvement in line play
I feel it's been a problem at Bama for 3 years at least. - Thats JMHO
This post was edited on 1/4/25 at 10:23 am
Posted on 1/4/25 at 10:56 am to MillerLiteTime
Offensive linemen in 2-point stances not getting leverage on D-linemen. They just lean on them, instead of driving them.
Posted on 1/4/25 at 11:17 am to MillerLiteTime
I think talent at RB in general has been declining in recent years. IMO, it's a direct result of what is happening with RB contracts in the NFL.
Posted on 1/4/25 at 11:20 am to TideSaint
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All the good ones don't want to deal with recruiting
Yeah, Frye's recruiting has been subpar but the man can coach. What he's done with our patchwork offensive line the last two games has been amazing.
Posted on 1/4/25 at 11:27 am to MillerLiteTime
Maybe we're seeing a resurgence in White athletes.
We're seeing White guys start to take over basketball. Maybe they're about to start dominating football as well.
The SEC has turned its back on White football players, except at QB, TE, and IOL. The Big Ten has them all over the place
Look at OSU. 9/22 of their starters are White.
How many SEC teams can say that? Zero.
Most SEC teams have between 2-3 White starters - usually none on defense.
We're seeing White guys start to take over basketball. Maybe they're about to start dominating football as well.
The SEC has turned its back on White football players, except at QB, TE, and IOL. The Big Ten has them all over the place
Look at OSU. 9/22 of their starters are White.
How many SEC teams can say that? Zero.
Most SEC teams have between 2-3 White starters - usually none on defense.
This post was edited on 1/4/25 at 11:38 am
Posted on 1/4/25 at 12:06 pm to MillerLiteTime
It’s why Mizzou is going to walk away with the SEC title next year.
Between Beau Pribula and Ahman Hardy, we are bringing the ground game back.
Between Beau Pribula and Ahman Hardy, we are bringing the ground game back.
Posted on 1/4/25 at 12:09 pm to MillerLiteTime
We are still a running team. You guys consider our offense out dated tho. Moss got hurt or he was on his path to being a 1k rusher. Our OL are better run blockers than pass blockers. We suck at the pass blocking so we just run lol.
Posted on 1/4/25 at 12:11 pm to MillerLiteTime
We sold out to try to become QBU.
Could you blame us when we had Tua win us the NC in 2017?
After that, Tua-led Bama didn't win a game of note really after that.
That kind of QB play will have you set records against lesser and middle of the road teams but get you destroyed against elite defenses.
Slow downfall of Saban after that. We couldn't field a good defense after that.
Could you blame us when we had Tua win us the NC in 2017?
After that, Tua-led Bama didn't win a game of note really after that.
That kind of QB play will have you set records against lesser and middle of the road teams but get you destroyed against elite defenses.
Slow downfall of Saban after that. We couldn't field a good defense after that.
This post was edited on 1/4/25 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 1/4/25 at 12:13 pm to MillerLiteTime
I don't know what happened to it but I certainly do miss it. Seeing that offensive line opening up holes so large a truck could be driven through them was among the most satisfying things to see as a fan. Imposing your will on the opposing team with a steady dose of studs like Mark Ingram, Eddie Lacy, Trent Richardson, and Derrick Henry couldn't have been more fun to watch in the heyday of the Saban Dynasty.
Offenses today are more explosive but I miss the physical, will-breaking offenses of yesteryear.
Offenses today are more explosive but I miss the physical, will-breaking offenses of yesteryear.
Posted on 1/4/25 at 12:27 pm to MillerLiteTime
Or defenses?
Posted on 1/4/25 at 12:37 pm to VADawg
Yeah it’s something with this. Seems like HS skill position kids want to be receivers or a pass catching rb. They’re versatile, make more money and retain more tread.
As well as scheme and evolution of these new talented QBs. They’re not just statues in the backfield slinging the ball anymore.
As well as scheme and evolution of these new talented QBs. They’re not just statues in the backfield slinging the ball anymore.
Posted on 1/4/25 at 1:13 pm to Emmanuel Goldstein
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It’s why Mizzou is going to walk away with the SEC title next year.
Posted on 1/4/25 at 1:16 pm to LatinTiger30
Spread offenses are used a lot in high school.
Meaning the linemen in high school aren't really learning how to run block. That is a problem.
Meaning the linemen in high school aren't really learning how to run block. That is a problem.
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