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Posted on 10/1/19 at 6:54 pm to TchPowDog
Posted on 10/1/19 at 6:54 pm to TchPowDog
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Scenario:
You're a collegiate wrestler (not on scholarship). You would like to be a personal trainer at the local gym for high school wrestlers. You advertise yourself in the local paper as "Mr. National Champion Wrestler AlaCowboy is now teaching lessons"
Boom - VIOLATION
Tell me that's not absurd.
Nothing in the NCAA bylaws would prohibit this scenario. Student athletes are allowed to have jobs and be paid as long as said jobs pay is reasonable for said profession and actually are doing the work.
Compliance dept. monitor this all the time. The issue for football players is they don't necessarily have the extra time to work a summer job due to workout demands . But your wrestler scenario will have time during his off season to work and get paid.
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 7:10 pm to spacewrangler
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Scenario:
You're a collegiate wrestler (not on scholarship). You would like to be a personal trainer at the local gym for high school wrestlers. You advertise yourself in the local paper as "Mr. National Champion Wrestler AlaCowboy is now teaching lessons"
Boom - VIOLATION
Tell me that's not absurd.
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Nothing in the NCAA bylaws would prohibit this scenario.
You literally just made this up without a fricking clue. Stop making shite up! Read a. below
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 7:19 pm to spacewrangler
Tou guys are arguing the wrong problem. The reason the NCAA has these rules is not for amateurism, it is to not have to share licensing with the athletes. Gear and video games alone make them billions.
A solution would be for all payments and a small percentage of licensing to go into a big pot for all student athletes.
The NCAA is a governing body that profits from their policies. A clear conflict of interest.
A solution would be for all payments and a small percentage of licensing to go into a big pot for all student athletes.
The NCAA is a governing body that profits from their policies. A clear conflict of interest.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 7:21 pm to surgicalvenom
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Tou guys are arguing the wrong problem. The reason the NCAA has these rules is not for amateurism, it is to not have to share licensing with the athletes. Gear and video games alone make them billions.
A solution would be for all payments and a small percentage of licensing to go into a big pot for all student athletes.
The NCAA is a governing body that profits from their policies. A clear conflict of interest.
You really have no clue how little money that shite brings in?
Hey guys, here's your check for $4!
Seriously, do a little math on how many college players there are.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 7:26 pm to 3down10
It's the only way to be fair across all sports. Without that you will have title 9 violations day 1. And the argument is that an athlete should own their likeness, but doesn't require a large profit. If it's only $4 so be it. But you can't reward the qb without considering his OL or receivers etc.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 7:30 pm to spacewrangler
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Nothing in the NCAA bylaws would prohibit this scenario.
Actually yes the NCAA does not allow a collegiate athlete to advertise they play for a college to help generate income.
Example that was used on ESPN today is that a tennis player can teach lessons during the summer but can not advertise they play for a said college to help promote her ability as a player. If the new bill were in affect that tennis player could promote the lessons using their status as a player at a said college.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 7:32 pm to surgicalvenom
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Without that you will have title 9 violations day 1
The bill passed by CA does not violate Title IX at all. It allows for athletes the same equal opportunity. Just because someone could care less about women's water polo and would only sponsor football is the sponsors right but Title IX is not violated because all athletes can receive endorsements or what not. It is not sport specific.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 7:34 pm to Goldtide1
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The majority are financing a large part of their tuition as is.
No one gives a shite about 99% of college athletes. They only care about 1% of them. Oh wait! It looks like we will pay the 1% of top athletes and screw the other 99%. Seems like the rich get richer and the poor stay the same.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:00 pm to J2thaROC
What the hell has that got to do with anything. The $30K tuition is paid for the athletes, every dime. The board is free, housing free, all the food and entertainment they can stand. Pell Grant money and a check on top of everything. Free medical care, you name it. I had a scholarship when I was college age alright. The University of Vietnam. Everything was paid for there too. LOL!
And no problem with the $200. bucks a month G I bill money and the University supplied job when I was promoted to civilian. I also sold cars for a dealership and had plenty of money and a Corvette convertible with two tops and took care of myself.
But these athletes are well taken care of and if they are not, don't freaking go there. Do something else. There are hundreds of kids standing in line for the chance you are getting.
And no problem with the $200. bucks a month G I bill money and the University supplied job when I was promoted to civilian. I also sold cars for a dealership and had plenty of money and a Corvette convertible with two tops and took care of myself.
But these athletes are well taken care of and if they are not, don't freaking go there. Do something else. There are hundreds of kids standing in line for the chance you are getting.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:16 pm to Goldtide1
I can appreciate your perspective, if true. And I have no reason to believe it’s not. But give us some examples of how you think any player can turn this into a money maker for them.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:21 pm to TideWarrior
The reason Title 9 is a problem is because it is an unequal resource. It's the same as have equal number of scholarships even though football and basketball supply the revenue.
Giving the men pocket money supplied by NCAA licensing and not the women will not work for 1 second. And there is no way in hell that letting individual athletes negotiate there own payments will work. It has to be all in for every athlete or dont change it.
Giving the men pocket money supplied by NCAA licensing and not the women will not work for 1 second. And there is no way in hell that letting individual athletes negotiate there own payments will work. It has to be all in for every athlete or dont change it.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:27 pm to TroyTider
The obvious thing is that the richer schools will get richer and every other school will
have to decide if they want to and can afford to compete. If a recruit has a choice between UCLA , where he could earn more money, why would he go to South Carolina
where the earnings would be less ?
have to decide if they want to and can afford to compete. If a recruit has a choice between UCLA , where he could earn more money, why would he go to South Carolina
where the earnings would be less ?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:30 pm to Dave1999
Where do all these athletic poors currently get all of the money for sleeve tats?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:50 pm to AlaCowboy
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The mass majority of student athletes have no where near a full ride.
Do you really think the Alabama mens water polo team is going to get endorsement money from this? This is for the football and mens basketball teams only. And only a few of them.
And only a very few players on said teams.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:59 pm to navy
Don’t you think they could get more money for more tats in a more prosperous area?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:01 pm to Goldtide1
When I was in college Kenny Stabler was down the hall in Patey hall. He drove a Corvette, sold cars at the local Chevrolet dealership. He showed up on Saturday morning and basically shook hands and sold cars. He joked at the time he took a pay cut to turn pro, this is an unfair advantage to scholarship athletes, regular students don't have this advantage, but a music scholarship can play in a local band without losing their eligibility, so I don't know which is the correct balance.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:02 pm to surgicalvenom
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Giving the men pocket money supplied by NCAA licensing and not the women will not work for 1 second.
It will and again does not violate Title IX. Because every athlete including females will have the same opportunity to receive the so called pocket money. It is not a violation for a person to pick who they endorse unless only football and male basketball players are the only ones allowed to be endorsed.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:08 pm to Goldtide1
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Alabama, LSU, auburn, etc. Those big universities are the exception to the rule, not the norm. There are hundreds of small schools you never hear about and those athletic departments struggle to make ends meet.
And paying players for “likeness” will destroy smaller universities long term. If you don’t think large university boosters won’t take advantage, you’re fooling yourself.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:28 pm to AlaCowboy
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Do you really think the Alabama mens water polo team is going to get endorsement money from this? This is for the football and mens basketball teams only. And only a few of them.
Yea, that 's not going to work That's like saying women don't deserve the same advantages as males do at work. The first thing the water polo team will do is sue the university because they aren't given the same opportunity to profit as the football/basketball players because they are not supported by the university in the same way.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:29 pm to Goldtide1
I dont think we should play them. I also do not think they should need a release, they can go play where ever they want if they are an enrolled eligible student.
This is America, let freedom ring.
They should be able to endorse any product they choose. The school should not pay them a dime other than tuition....and if they take endorsement money they can pay their own tuition and forgo the scholarship. If it is good for the goose it is good for the gander.
This is America, let freedom ring.
They should be able to endorse any product they choose. The school should not pay them a dime other than tuition....and if they take endorsement money they can pay their own tuition and forgo the scholarship. If it is good for the goose it is good for the gander.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 9:31 pm
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