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re: Unless you’ve been a college athlete under the NCAA you wouldn’t understand...

Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:06 am to
Posted by tigooner
Member since Nov 2013
217 posts
Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:06 am to
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You really believe the players aren’t given choice and compensated for their services, don’t you? Wow.


of course they're given a choice and compensated. they're not compensated according to market demands, though. If Alabama offers a player a scholarship and LSU also wants that player all they can offer is another scholarship. If they want that player more than Alabama does, they can't increase their offer, which is what happens in a free market if you want something more than a competitor.

If I am a skilled worker in a high demand field I can reasonably expect to choose from offers between companies who have no outwardly imposed limits on their offers. If I'm making 100 grand where I'm at but another company values me more than that they can pay me as much as they'd like. That is the difference between a free market and college athletics.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:10 am to
What do you think LSU’s new locker room and UGA’s new LED lights are about? They’re used to increase the value of their offer to recruits over other schools. They’re absolutely compensated under the current allowable measures of the market. You have a limited view and understanding of what a market is.
This post was edited on 10/2/19 at 12:11 am
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53436 posts
Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:12 am to
What fresh hell is this??


All this is going to do is screw the SEC in the end.



God bless, football in general is in a decline. why?

1- because it's not competitive until the playoffs.

2- cheating...

3- Rules applied unequally.


Let's look at the Rules on transfers and who is allowed to play IMMEDIATELY vs sit a year. Are you telling me that Justin Fields should be playing right now? We ALL KNOW he shouldn't.

Yet smalers schools can't get their players approved because of a 100 MILES radius? WTF???



I, as a bama fan, am friggin bored to tears unless its a major game. You have seen Bama fans post here "is anybody else bored with this year"

WELL HELL YEAH!!! We are bored. It's not until the SEC championship that we need to worry. Maybe LSU this year.


So what is the frickING POINT for Ark? For Ole Piss, for TAMU??? And now you think paying them for their likeness is great?


It will literally put those teams out. Those laws like California passed allow a student to obtain an agent to sell his likeness.

We now have a FRIGGIN PORTAL that will be nothing more than a free agent portal. "hey billy bob SUE(let's not rule out the trans). If you will consider transferring, we will get you a contract."


Let's take Ark. They have a decent back and USC Trojans need one. They reach out and he transfers.

It's going to RUIN college sports!
Posted by tigooner
Member since Nov 2013
217 posts
Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:14 am to
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What do you think LSU’s new locker room and UGA’s new LED lights are about? They’re used to increase the value of their offer to recruits over other schools. They’re absolutely compensated under the current allowable measures of the market. You have a limited view and understanding of what a market is.


Ok, next time you go into a job interview tell them that you'll take half of what you'd get on the market if only they'll put LED lights and a hot tub in your cubicle, then come back and tell me that's compensation on par with money.

of course it's market, but it's not a free market.
This post was edited on 10/2/19 at 12:16 am
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:16 am to
Just say you think it’s an archaic system of the patriarchy so we can move on.
Posted by MindRiot
Member since Sep 2014
370 posts
Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:18 am to
If you're going to open Pandora's box, throw the players a bone on top of their scholarship. Player likeness is professional sports. We're talking about millions, agents, marketing. It's not an easy problem to solve. I'm usually on the "scholarship is your pay" wagon, but the schools and networks are making millions off of play on the field. I still say college football would make money regardless of who is playing. But it wouldn't be this lucrative.
Posted by tigooner
Member since Nov 2013
217 posts
Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:18 am to
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Just say you think it’s an archaic system of the patriarchy so we can move on.



you mean, just say something that makes me sound like a conservative caricature of a liberal.

if you consider yourself a proponent of free market capitalism and of ncaa athletics then it's time to just admit that you value the principles of capitalism less than those 12 saturdays per year.
This post was edited on 10/2/19 at 12:19 am
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53436 posts
Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:23 am to
That's friggin BS!!!!


Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9292 posts
Posted on 10/2/19 at 3:49 am to
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If those kids are so valuable, where is the league to take them in?

Ding ding ding..

Everyone assumes that all of the money floating around college football means that the players must be super valuable.

Here’s the thing though.. if 19 year old football players have so much value, why hasn’t anyone tried to cash in yet? NCAA membership is voluntary, and there’s nothing stopping anyone from starting pro or semi-pro football leagues that offer to pay these kids. I mean, if they’re that valuable then the XFL should take off given that they’ll be the only game in town, right? ...Right?

On the other hand, maybe (just maybe) it’s the universities and conferences themselves that really hold the value in this relationship..
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9292 posts
Posted on 10/2/19 at 4:47 am to
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If you think college basketball and football are still amateur sport in any way other than by legal definition, you are fooling yourself. They are billion dollar industries.

They are billion dollar industries in their current form.

In the NFL, salary caps, rules, roster size, etc. are collectively bargained between the owners and the NFLPA. While the two sides are usually negotiating against each other, they do have one common goal: “protecting the shield”. Both sides know that the entire system hinges on putting a quality product on the field that will keep the fans interested. NFL players are working, educated adults and they have a future to worry about.

Contrast this with college football. Players have a maximum of 4 years eligibility. They are 18-22 years old, with little incentive to protect the long-term interests of the league. There are roughly 1,700 active players on NFL rosters, compared to 11,000 scholarship football players in FBS alone.

I think the concern most have with the “pay to play” idea is that it could cause irreparable harm to college athletics in the long term. As things stand now, only about 20% of FBS schools’ athletic departments are self-sustaining. What if lower tier schools start shutting down their football programs because they can’t compete? What if schools start ending various sports that don’t generate revenue as more money is diverted to football and basketball? What is the impact to those athletes who could potentially lose scholarship opportunities? Do they have a voice? Should they? What about Title IX?

These questions all really boil down to things that should be collectively bargained, but it gets really difficult when you have almost 500,000 student athletes affected, all in their late teens or early 20’s, and none of whom will be affected 3-4 years from now.

One last point re: free markets. There’s nothing stopping anyone from building a lower tier football league that can pay the 4- and 5-star players (that’s really who we are talking about). See my last post referencing the XFL. The fact that nobody has created an alternative league doesn’t mean that there’s not a free market. What it does mean (depending on how you look at it) is either a) that there is a huge opportunity out there for someone to capitalize on the NCAA’s failure, or b) that the market is actually fairly balanced and there’s not a ton of opportunity out there anyway.
Posted by kajunman
Member since Dec 2015
4636 posts
Posted on 10/2/19 at 5:50 am to
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Hell, a lineman won't get a dime. You think a right tackle wants to block for a QB that just filled his wallet with autograph money? Will RB#3 be willing to give 100% on the field when RB#1 just got bank to shoot a commercial for Gatorade?


^THIS in spades.

If you're going to pay players, it needs to be a flat rate across the board. Who will govern this with unbias ? Will players who aren't stars and aren't asked to shoot commercials etc, eventually unionize to get a piece of the pie ? Bad idea all the way around. You will have marketing agencies trying to sign guys in high school. This reeks.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22221 posts
Posted on 10/2/19 at 5:52 am to
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if you consider yourself a proponent of free market capitalism and of ncaa athletics then it's time to just admit that you value the principles of capitalism less than those 12 saturdays per year.


You don’t want it to be a free market and neither do the players. Dropped that pass? You’re fired.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 10/2/19 at 5:57 am to
Poor ting
Posted by kajunman
Member since Dec 2015
4636 posts
Posted on 10/2/19 at 6:18 am to
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a) that there is a huge opportunity out there for someone to capitalize on the NCAA’s failure,


I don't think there is an opportunity for this at all. It's the universities that provide the fanbases. No one is going to go watch kids 17-22 play in an alternative league other than maybe family members. If no one is buying tickets it will fail.

Imagine if you will a 17-22 year old football league in Louisiana. Do you think LSU fans will support that league in lieu of supporting the actual team that plays for the university ? It won't happen. It would be the same for all of the other Sec members.

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b) that the market is actually fairly balanced and there’s not a ton of opportunity out there anyway.


College players benefit most playing for the universities. Some things are better left alone.
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
18660 posts
Posted on 10/2/19 at 6:21 am to
All I read in this post is a Alabama player who actually got caught being paid
Posted by maninwhitecoat
Member since Nov 2017
829 posts
Posted on 10/2/19 at 6:22 am to
Whatever it takes to break up the blue bloods. Nobody wants to see the same programs in the playoffs year in and year out.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51247 posts
Posted on 10/2/19 at 6:24 am to
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Or take a job at the mill


Posted by tigerdup07
Member since Dec 2007
21966 posts
Posted on 10/2/19 at 7:06 am to
Put yourself in their shoes? If I were in their shoes, I wouldn’t have 35,000.00 worth of fricking student loans
Posted by DocYates
Member since Oct 2015
616 posts
Posted on 10/2/19 at 7:33 am to
So the liberals want to create s system whereby a few can be compensated more, creating an even bigger divide between the haves and the have nots. Imagine that? All college football needs is a bunch of "Antonio Browns", running around trying to sell themselves to the highest bidder.
If I am company looking for someone to provide sponsorship, I am going to direct that person to where I want them to play (the university of my choice). If they play for Bama, and I own a sausage factory in Baton Rouge, guess what, now thru the transfer portal, Tua now wears purple and gold.
Why even bother with recruiting at that point? Just openly say if you are 5* player, you get $100,000 per game, etc.
This is a deal breaker for college athletics. No one will be playing for a university, they will be playing for themselves. That very premise is why the NFL, filled with primadonnas and wage inequality, is on the downfall. Viewership is lower all the time. People don't want to see that.
In reality, what I see is the fact that we have our priorities all on the wrong lane.
Posted by Vestigial Morgan
Member since Apr 2016
3048 posts
Posted on 10/2/19 at 7:45 am to
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removing authority from a VOLUNTARY association may be a short term benefit for SOME COLLEGE ATHLETES but it will be a long term detriment to ALL COLLEGE ATHLETES. college football is strong because of it's nation wide appeal. start letting boosters bid for the best guys and the sport will dwindle down to about 25 teams give or take a few



Frankly....I don't see my team (Bama) being in that that cut of schools...probably not LSU either. The driving factorb will be 1) monied boosters that 2) are willing to spend it. Harvard could pay for 85 five star players - IF they wanted to (and by "pay" ...arrange for money making opps) Alabama would have the want to spend the money but cant match...Nike money at Oregon or Stanford (Phil Knights schools) even Under Armour. Maryland becomes the biggest mover in this game because ofb their ability to directly market (pay) with UA.

Though on the flip side..maybe in 10..15 years the alabama lsu game is like....going to wyoming or wake forest game today. Less at stake but still fun to be a apart of
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