re: Time Magazine Top 500 Universities in the World - just released

Never seen a list in which Missouri was ranked above Florida and Missouri and Tennessee were ranked above Georgia.

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3. Mizzou 124

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Texas atop the imaginary woke rankings, I am shocked!

Vandy at the top. What a joke

28.6% from the US and 96 of the 143 from the US are Public Universities. This is the true source of US global hegemony, which we as US citizens enjoy, and given the relative benevolent nature of that hegemony the entire human race enjoys. Far too many of our fellow citizens would change that today if they could. The biggest export in any term we can measure by the US provides the globe is education, research and knowledge....and we are actively doing everything we can to undermine the value of that product. I understand this is a list from a source from the United States but it would be similar in any nation outside of North Korea. The US Military is a direct product of the superior higher education in the United States....it is the education that is the source of US hegemony and the rest of the world knows it. Why we don't recognize it at home is no mystery....idiots have always downplayed the importance of knowledge....

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What if we could design admissions policies that are more meritocratic and increase socioeconomic diversity?

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As long as socioeconomic considerations exist there is no meritocracy....a child of parents who can afford to pay for Harvard may well be qualified to attend Harvard but that doesn't mean she is the most qualified. In fact it may very well be that legacy admissions coupled with socioeconomic considerations, the majority of college admissions, excludes merit completely. For all but about 70 years there was NO merit involved in college admissions AT all. UGA was chartered in 1785. The first black student was admitted in 1961. UGA has existed for 241 years. It is inconceivable that there was not a black person in the world, hell in Clarke County Georgia, in the first 176 years of the existence of UGA that wasn't more qualified to attend UGA than the least qualified student who was accepted in that incoming class. There was, is not and never has been a meritocracy in college admissions in the US. UGA is not unique in this. For the most part it depends on who your parents are, if you can pay the price and at the end of the list is actual ability to benefit from a higher education.

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Case western reserve is not really a undergrad school. Also it’s a great school that partners with Cleveland clinic, a S tier hospital.


Also I’m embarrassed to see A&M these days. Our education took a huge hit

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a) Agreed . . I like Case on every front and of course if you are doing the fine pencil work on STEM majors or doctoral or graduate studies you are going to disregard these crude rankings altogether and hone in on much more salient details like academic placement, grant money, research partnerships, etc.

b) Yes . . .no one talks about the fairly populist bent of the supposedly conservative Austin legislators and how A&M became a useful tool to churn out degrees to the masses with a Costco approach. I rail endlessly against the Top 10%/7% rule as it is a corrupt deal between grade inflation maniacs at public high schools window dressing average kids as 4.0 students and A&M administrators wanting to stack heads on the campus no matter the cost.

But all that being said, something still feels veery off about how these this data mining output settled.

Looking at the academic factors

1) Resource expenditure per student
2) Research income per faculty member
3) Institutional income
4) Faculty-to-student ratio
5) Staff-to-student ratios
6) Clarivate’s list of highly cited researchers
7) Citation counts
8) Nobel Prize laureates
9) Fields Medal laureates

That criteria apparently penalizes certain institutions like Cal-Berkely which sports a lower academic profile in these rankings than Emory, which is fine but frankly undistinguished research university.

Berkeley, , what your politics, is one of the great centers of global research and teaching

It has produced the fourth most Fields medal winners and the fifth most Nobel Prizes in all universities of the world. It was instrumental in the Manhattan Project. It has outside of MIT and Stanford the best engineering program in the country. Its business and economics programs are some of the best in the world. Its computer science department is one of the best in the world. Its liberal arts programs are all top notch

But its academics per this system are inferior to:

1) Tufts University
2) Maryland
3) Penn State
4) Ohio State
5) Oregon Health & Science University
6) Emory
7) Wisconsin

All fine schools but no one in their right minds should put them on an academic tier above Berkely in almost any discipline.

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15. Alabama N/R
16 LSU N/R


This kind of makes list look legit

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Man...you still pissed about Kiffin! Don't lie!!!!

This looks.like they pulled names out of a hat.