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re: Spinoff: Which SEC program is best built for long-term success in football?
Posted on 6/13/13 at 4:06 am to GeauxPack81
Posted on 6/13/13 at 4:06 am to GeauxPack81
There are no great indicators of long term future success - there are just too many variables. However, the best indicator of any of them is past long term success. I'm sure anyone with knowledge of SEC records over the past century can order them based on this. Obviously Bama is at the top.
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Posted on 6/13/13 at 4:50 am to PrivatePublic
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I'm sure anyone with knowledge of SEC records over the past decade can order them based on this. Obviously Bama is at the top.
Unless you said this in 1990, then it would be AU . Or in 2000 it would be UF/UTand a huge gap. Or in 2010 it would be LSU/UF/UGA/AU respectively
I'm sure in 2020 it'll be UA, maybe a couple of others, we'll see. Like you say, a knowledge of records is helpful.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 7:20 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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long-term
Posted on 6/13/13 at 7:23 am to Patton
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Auburn should also be above SCAR
Posted on 6/13/13 at 8:06 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
23 conference championships in 79 years. Nearly a third of the total owned by ONE team?..and there's even a conversation on the topic?..delusion runs rampant! 
Posted on 6/13/13 at 8:49 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Crap, I typed decade while I was thinking century. Long term means long.
Read between the lines.
Read between the lines.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 8:49 am to coachcrisp
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coachcrisp
Spinoff: Which SEC program is best built for long-term success in football?
23 conference championships in 79 years. Nearly a third of the total owned by ONE team?..and there's even a conversation on the topic?..delusion runs rampant!
Yes and you things are the most delusional creatures in the Milky Way Galaxy....
Posted on 6/13/13 at 9:06 am to MetryTyger
We're the most delusional? You're the one that said no one could match what LSU has done over the last 20 years and were basically proven wrong by UA and UF fans.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 9:13 am to MetryTyger
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coachcrisp
Spinoff: Which SEC program is best built for long-term success in football?
23 conference championships in 79 years. Nearly a third of the total owned by ONE team?..and there's even a conversation on the topic?..delusion runs rampant!
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Yes and you things are the most delusional creatures in the Milky Way Galaxy....
You might be taken a little more seriously if you'd bring something worthwhile to the conversation(like maybe a "fact" or something).
Posted on 6/13/13 at 9:34 am to GeauxPack81
I'm going to go with Florida. Plenty of talent in that state, Miami isn't the program it once was, and their only real competition in state is Florida State.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 11:21 am to DMV Cock
[quote]1. Bama. With or without Saban, the only school that comes close to them in tradition is Michigan, and they're in the Big Ten. 2. UF. This is assuming Muschamp is not there. Too much talent in that state for them to slip, especially since they now have a tradition to build on unlike pre-1990. 3. LSU. Great stadium, solid tradition, great recruiting base. 4. UGA. UGA is a semi-national brand, and GA is one of the top states for high-level talent, although they need to improve a bit on keeping some of the best players in state. [/quote
I agree with this list. I wouldn't put LSU at the top. I think the OP made a few decent points, but others have pointed out that they haven't always had consistent results.
However, those discounting LSU need to look past the 90's. they have the fourth most wins behind UA, UT, and UGA. With the way the recent climate of college football has shifted LSU is clearly above UT for longevity. UGA is a little less clear.
LSU has the facilities and donors to match the other top teams in the country. They have the gameday atmosphere, historic stadium, and unique culture to attract out of state prospects.
We'll see what happens with ATM. Moving to the SEC and the emergence of Johnny football put them back on the map, but it is too early to tell how successful they will be long term once the hype dies down.
I agree with this list. I wouldn't put LSU at the top. I think the OP made a few decent points, but others have pointed out that they haven't always had consistent results.
However, those discounting LSU need to look past the 90's. they have the fourth most wins behind UA, UT, and UGA. With the way the recent climate of college football has shifted LSU is clearly above UT for longevity. UGA is a little less clear.
LSU has the facilities and donors to match the other top teams in the country. They have the gameday atmosphere, historic stadium, and unique culture to attract out of state prospects.
We'll see what happens with ATM. Moving to the SEC and the emergence of Johnny football put them back on the map, but it is too early to tell how successful they will be long term once the hype dies down.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:01 pm to coachcrisp
I responded to poster who used the time frame 'decade'. Reading comprehension alive and well. 
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:01 pm to nc14
^^see above^^
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Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:06 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Florida has all the top recruits right next to it's campus...
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:07 pm to GeauxPack81
Not that I'd put Mizzou much higher, but at least know what you're talking about if you're going to make posts like this.
No in state talent? You obviously don't know what you're talking about. That statement can simply not be made when a Heisman winner, top recruit in the nation, and multiple 1st round draft picks have come from Missouri in recent years. Plenty of good talent in MO, plus with 2 major urban centers and an increase in youth football in our state the numbers are going to keep going up.
I think what you mean by no tradition is that you're unfamiliar with it... big time bowls in our history, but were terrible at the beginning of the internet era, which is the beginning of time for ppl like you.
No in state talent? You obviously don't know what you're talking about. That statement can simply not be made when a Heisman winner, top recruit in the nation, and multiple 1st round draft picks have come from Missouri in recent years. Plenty of good talent in MO, plus with 2 major urban centers and an increase in youth football in our state the numbers are going to keep going up.
I think what you mean by no tradition is that you're unfamiliar with it... big time bowls in our history, but were terrible at the beginning of the internet era, which is the beginning of time for ppl like you.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:08 pm to LanierSpots
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Auburn should also be above SCAR
You sure about that? SC has proven for decades now that even after being down they'll be back to competing for championships sooner rather than later. Right?
Jesus there are some morons on here.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:14 pm to tiger perry
I'd put UA/UF/UGA at top of the list.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:24 pm to GeauxPack81
That's a decent list. I like the criteria used and your analysis.
First, here is my list, then I will explain:
1. LSU
2. Florida
3. Alabama
4. Georgia
5. A&M
6. Auburn
7. Ole Miss
8. Tennessee
9. South Carolina
10. Arkansas
11. MSU
12. Missouri
13. Kentucky
14. Vandy
Building Blocks:
I would first group the teams based on whether or not the meet these categories:
1. Large, passionate fan base
2. Sufficient In-state talent
3. Limited In-state SEC or BCS recruiting competition
They come out like this:
LSU - 3/3 LSU stands alone.
Georgia 2/3 (Georgia Tech)
Florida 2/3 (Miami and FSU)
Texas A&M 2/3 (the fricking longhorns)
Alabama 2/3 (Auburn)
Auburn 2/3 (Alabama)
Ole Miss 2/3
MSU 2/3
Arkansas 2/3
Missouri 2/3 (talent)
South Carolina 1/3 (in-state talent and Clemson)
UT 1/3 (In-state talent and Vandy)
Kentucky 0/3 (talent, large fan base [football], Louisville)
Vandy 0/3 (Fan Base, In-state talent, and Tenn)
Attractiveness:
Then, there has to be some weight given to facilities and recruiting prowess.
First, facilities. Now this is debatable as frick, so I will give the benefit of the doubt where due, and group them:
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, LSU, Tenn, South Carolina, Georgia, A&M, Ole Miss, MSU
Kentucky, Mizzou, Vandy
Recruiting Prowess:
Right now:
Alabama-- Scout #7, Rivals #9, ESPN #7, 24/7 #9
Arkansas-- 54, 40, NR, 54
Auburn-- 17, 17, 13, 17
Florida-- 14, 15, 9, 12
Georgia-- 18, 21, 16, 13
Kentucky-- 5, 9, 12, 7
LSU-- 5, 11, 4, 11
Missouri-- 39, 43, NR, 32
MSU-- 50, 45, NR, 45
Ole Miss-- 16, 14, 14, 6
South Carolina-- 43, 38, NR, 49
Tenn-- 6, 2, 6, 4
Texas A&M-- 1, 1, 2, 1
Vanderbilt-- 28, 27, 25, 30
Last two years (just using Rivals, too lazy):
Ave. Top 25ers:
Alabama-- 1, 1
Auburn-- 8, 10
Florida-- 4, 3
Georgia-- 12, 12
LSU-- 6, 16
Texas A&M-- 10, 15
South Carolina-- 16, 19
Tenn-- 21, 17
Ole Miss-- 7, 40
Ave. top 30:
MSU-- 26, 30
Vanderbilt-- 19, 29
Below top 30 average:
Arkansas-- 27, 34
Kentucky-- 29, 62
Missouri-- 41, 31
First, here is my list, then I will explain:
1. LSU
2. Florida
3. Alabama
4. Georgia
5. A&M
6. Auburn
7. Ole Miss
8. Tennessee
9. South Carolina
10. Arkansas
11. MSU
12. Missouri
13. Kentucky
14. Vandy
Building Blocks:
I would first group the teams based on whether or not the meet these categories:
1. Large, passionate fan base
2. Sufficient In-state talent
3. Limited In-state SEC or BCS recruiting competition
They come out like this:
LSU - 3/3 LSU stands alone.
Georgia 2/3 (Georgia Tech)
Florida 2/3 (Miami and FSU)
Texas A&M 2/3 (the fricking longhorns)
Alabama 2/3 (Auburn)
Auburn 2/3 (Alabama)
Ole Miss 2/3
MSU 2/3
Arkansas 2/3
Missouri 2/3 (talent)
South Carolina 1/3 (in-state talent and Clemson)
UT 1/3 (In-state talent and Vandy)
Kentucky 0/3 (talent, large fan base [football], Louisville)
Vandy 0/3 (Fan Base, In-state talent, and Tenn)
Attractiveness:
Then, there has to be some weight given to facilities and recruiting prowess.
First, facilities. Now this is debatable as frick, so I will give the benefit of the doubt where due, and group them:
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, LSU, Tenn, South Carolina, Georgia, A&M, Ole Miss, MSU
Kentucky, Mizzou, Vandy
Recruiting Prowess:
Right now:
Alabama-- Scout #7, Rivals #9, ESPN #7, 24/7 #9
Arkansas-- 54, 40, NR, 54
Auburn-- 17, 17, 13, 17
Florida-- 14, 15, 9, 12
Georgia-- 18, 21, 16, 13
Kentucky-- 5, 9, 12, 7
LSU-- 5, 11, 4, 11
Missouri-- 39, 43, NR, 32
MSU-- 50, 45, NR, 45
Ole Miss-- 16, 14, 14, 6
South Carolina-- 43, 38, NR, 49
Tenn-- 6, 2, 6, 4
Texas A&M-- 1, 1, 2, 1
Vanderbilt-- 28, 27, 25, 30
Last two years (just using Rivals, too lazy):
Ave. Top 25ers:
Alabama-- 1, 1
Auburn-- 8, 10
Florida-- 4, 3
Georgia-- 12, 12
LSU-- 6, 16
Texas A&M-- 10, 15
South Carolina-- 16, 19
Tenn-- 21, 17
Ole Miss-- 7, 40
Ave. top 30:
MSU-- 26, 30
Vanderbilt-- 19, 29
Below top 30 average:
Arkansas-- 27, 34
Kentucky-- 29, 62
Missouri-- 41, 31
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:26 pm to KaiserSoze99
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1. LSU
2. Florida
3. Alabama
4. Georgia
5. A&M
6. Auburn
7. Ole Miss
8. Tennessee
9. South Carolina
10. Arkansas
11. MSU
12. Missouri
13. Kentucky
14. Vandy
I'd probably agree with this.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:27 pm to 15sammy34
And frick LSU!
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