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Spinoff: Which SEC program is best built for long-term success in football?

Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:31 pm
Posted by GeauxPack81
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:31 pm
Long-term success is very hard to predict because so much of a recruits decision is based on coaches, current success, and championship possibilities. Rank your SEC schools best built for long term success factoring in location, recruiting competition, academics, campus, tradition and all other things that aren't prone to drastic change anytime soon.

My opinion:
1)LSU - No major in-state competition for recruits, more NFL players per capita than any other state, large following in east Texas, great stadium, huge fan base, decent tradition.


2)Georgia - Great talent level in state, above average academics, great campus, great city, biggest program in its state, good tradition, can grab recruits from state of Florida.


3)Florida - Location, Location, Location. Currently the state of Florida is stacked every year, even if they get out recruited by FSU some years and if out of state teams can get players from the state, UF will still be left with more than enough good athletes. Also, big stadium, multiple NCs.


4)Alabama - Above average talent in the state of Alabama, and they will always be big brother (sorry auburn). Great campus, huge stadium, ridiculously passionate fan base, great tradition. However, they have to be able to recruit Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, or Texas to have very high level success.


5)Texas A&M - High ranking also has alot to do with location, Texas has ridiculous number of good athletes every year. However they have to compete with UT every year and even LSU now. Very hard to really project A&M without seeing them in the SEC but one year.


6)South Carolina - Small state, but has produced a lot of talent lately. Has to compete with ACC schools and SEC east schools for the big time recruits. No tradition at all


7)Auburn - Really nice campus, and a huge following within the state. A lot of tradition, but nothing like Bama's. Has to compete with SEC east and West schools for recruits, but Alabama has above average talent


8)UT - nice campus, biggest stadium in the SEC, great tradition of winning, huge fan base. However, there aren't enough big time recruits in the state for them to not need to go out of state and compete with other big time schools around them.


9)Vandy - Nashville is a great city, academics unrivaled in the SEC. However, in state recruits choose UT over them and even UT needs to go out of state. Small stadium, no tradition.


10)Ole Miss - in state recruits will choose them over MSU but the recruits are limited and the top level in-state guys often choose other schools, completely surrounded by SEC schools. Good base in Memphis, Decent tradition, passionate fans, but they will always have a bad stigma to African American football players especially with the presence of the rebel flag. I can't remember the title of the book but there was a book written about Ole Miss recruiting when Orgeron was there and the book talks about how much of a struggle it was to get rid of that bad stigma. Its often a question from African American recruits parents.


11)Arkansas - Not nearly enough recruits in state to be able to stay in state. High level in state recruits leave the state.


12)Kentucky - not enough in state talent, average tradition, always a basketball school first


13)Missouri - no in state talent, competes with Big 12 schools for less than SEC talent. No tradition. Good academics...?


14)MSU - little brother to Ole Miss, not enough in state talent, can't compete recruiting with OM AU UA LSU. Small stadium, average academics, no tradition. Biggest jumbo screen...?

Hard to predict A&M and Mizzou. Just my rankings. Thoughts?
This post was edited on 6/11/13 at 1:33 pm
Posted by USMC Gators
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:32 pm to
UG and LSU at the top, they have no legitimate competition in the state.
Posted by Crompdaddy8
Jimmy Rustler
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

8)UT
9)Vandy


Posted by pankReb
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

the presence of the rebel flag



is seen more at LSU than in Oxford....
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112670 posts
Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:33 pm to
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and the top level in-state guys often choose other schools,


no they don't. that hasn't happened consistently since croom or orgeron. see these threads suck because for every 4 teams you know a good bit about, there are 12 more you are basically in the dark about.
Posted by USMC Gators
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:34 pm to
And MS has plenty of in-state talent. I think they're #2 behind LA for NFL players per capita.
Posted by Patton
Principality of Sealand
Member since Apr 2011
32652 posts
Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:34 pm to
quote:

Louisiana, or Texas to have very high level success.


Not really. I don't think you are giving the high school talent in Alabama enough credit. As long as we recruit here, Fl, and GA at the level we currently are, we are fine.
This post was edited on 6/11/13 at 1:40 pm
Posted by Patton
Principality of Sealand
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:36 pm to
Auburn should also be above SCAR
Posted by brewhan davey
Audubon Place
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:38 pm to
The state of Alabama is usually packed with top-level talent.
Posted by Supravol22
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

8) Tenn
9) Vandy




Lulz
Posted by Patton
Principality of Sealand
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:39 pm to
Agreed, we aren't on Tx Ga CA FL or LA but we close
Posted by brewhan davey
Audubon Place
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:40 pm to
No doubt. The entire Gulf Coast has their fair share of SEC-caliber players.
Posted by reggierayreb
Germantown
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:40 pm to
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4)Alabama


Stopped. Reading.

I would put Bama at #1 cause in order to beat them you have to outcoach Saban and his staff and that's not going to happen... So basically their players have to play poorly and not execute and give the game away via big plays and TOs... That rarely happens... LSU used to be #1, when Saban was their coach... Miles wont win another MNC with his players... He had his one chance... But the Tigahs probably wont play for another as long as Les is there calling the shots.
This post was edited on 6/11/13 at 1:51 pm
Posted by Dawg in Beaumont
Athens
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

7)Auburn - Really nice campus


Say what?
Posted by tgr4ever
Gwinnett, baw
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:56 pm to
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I would put Bama at #1 cause in order to beat them you have to outcoach Saban and his staff and that's not going to happen... So basically their players have to play poorly and not execute and give the game away via big plays and TOs... That rarely happens... LSU used to be #1, when Saban was their coach... Miles wont win another MNC with his players... He had his one chance... But the Tigahs probably wont play for another as long as Les is there calling the shots.



This thread is about long-term success.
Posted by DaBama
Helena, AL
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:57 pm to
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4)Alabama
Posted by Tiger79
Zachary
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:59 pm to
I love my Tigers but until saban retires Bama is gonna be top dawg. We might beat them this year if Cam Cameron can really out scheme Saban, but week in and week out Alabama wins games efficiently with Saban usually in the 2nd 3rd quarter, and we win slopply late in the 4th qt with Miles.
Posted by GeauxPack81
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:00 pm to
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Agreed, we aren't on Tx Ga CA FL or LA but we close 
I agree completely.
Posted by GeauxPack81
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:00 pm to
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I would put Bama at #1 cause in order to beat them you have to outcoach Saban and his staff and that's not going to happen.
that isn't long term
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:01 pm to
And the state boundaries are more or less meaningless. The panhandle of Florida and many other parts of the Gulf are Bama country.
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