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re: Spinoff: Which SEC program is best built for long-term success in football?
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:02 pm to GeauxPack81
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:02 pm to GeauxPack81
I know... It really seems like you're downplaying the amount of top tier high school football talent in the state of Alabama... AU and Bama dont split it anymore... Bama gets more of it and that staff rarely misses on the big time out of state prospects they bring in as well.
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:03 pm to Patton
quote:I thought about that, and you are probably right. Just seems like more and more SC guys are being highly recruited every year
Auburn should also be above SCAR
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:03 pm to GeauxPack81
Bama has the number one national brand in the SEC by a pretty big margin. Even before Saban, Bama consistently pulled in top-10 classes. Their recruiting footprint is no going to go away when Saban does.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:03 pm to GeauxPack81
Considering Alabama has had consistent success since 1892 I'd say they have the track record that puts them at the top of the list. LSU has only done it for a decade.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:05 pm to GeauxPack81
I suppose that, despite the fact that Alabama indisputably has had more long-term success than any other SEC program, it's about to suddenly change and they'll drop to #4. The past 120 years are no indicator.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:05 pm to Teague
Yeah the list is pretty retarded without Bama at #1
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:06 pm to bigpapamac
quote:How is this even a question. It's not close really
Considering Alabama has had consistent success since 1892
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:07 pm to GeauxPack81
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My opinion:
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1)LSU
You don't say. So what took lsu so long if they're best suited for long term success? Obvious answer is obvious, it's Alabama. Tradition is something that can never be taken away. Alabama has proven over and over that when they're down it isn't for long, and when they're up they're dominant. You can throw the rest of that bullshite about location and competition out the window, the proof is in the pudding
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:08 pm to bigpapamac
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Considering Alabama has had consistent success since 1892 I'd say they have the track record that puts them at the top of the list.
Meh. Nothing before 1990 really matters.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:19 pm to genro
I see the question you are asking. Maybe this is a way to ask the questions. Take Saban out of equation. Or lets say Saban coached every team.
Basically assume the coach of each school is the same. This highlights recruiting territory, tradition etc...
But I already see the flaw - the schools with more money will usually hire the better coach so that kind of knocks that method of comparison down.
I think Bama, LSU, A&M, Fla - will do what it takes to win and get back on track with new, big hires when need be. A&M still needs to be watched because they have a tradition of keeping coaches for long periods that are average. But with Bowtie, and the SEC, and investment in the new stadium - if Sumlin ever leaves or if he ever started losing and had to go, I think the new Administration will do what it takes to get a big dog.
So I say:
#1 Bama
#2 LSU
#3 Fla
#4 A&M* (see above)
#5 Ga.
#6 Auburn / USC / Ark / Tenn
#7 Ole Miss / Miss St / Mizzou
#8 Kentucky / Vandy
Basically assume the coach of each school is the same. This highlights recruiting territory, tradition etc...
But I already see the flaw - the schools with more money will usually hire the better coach so that kind of knocks that method of comparison down.
I think Bama, LSU, A&M, Fla - will do what it takes to win and get back on track with new, big hires when need be. A&M still needs to be watched because they have a tradition of keeping coaches for long periods that are average. But with Bowtie, and the SEC, and investment in the new stadium - if Sumlin ever leaves or if he ever started losing and had to go, I think the new Administration will do what it takes to get a big dog.
So I say:
#1 Bama
#2 LSU
#3 Fla
#4 A&M* (see above)
#5 Ga.
#6 Auburn / USC / Ark / Tenn
#7 Ole Miss / Miss St / Mizzou
#8 Kentucky / Vandy
This post was edited on 6/11/13 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:26 pm to WhiskeyBent
quote:exactly, Alabama has been on top largely due to the fact that they have had 2 of the greatest coaches in college football history. But the fact is that Saban went to Alabama, because it was Alabama, and would have left the NFL for very few schools.
But I already see the flaw - the schools with more money will usually hire the better coach so that kind of knocks that method of comparison down.
People citing the past. I dont think you can look at the last 100 years, and say that the next 100 years will be exactly the same. The game is light years different.
This post was edited on 6/11/13 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:28 pm to GeauxPack81
The thing that's going to make things interesting in a few years is that Tennessee is starting to produce more and more HS talent. Already, SEC and top schools from all of the country are recruiting our kids but it's going to heat up in a few years -- that's why Jones is constantly talking about building a wall around the state. The amount of HS talent really has gone up dramatically.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:30 pm to GeauxPack81
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People citing the past. I dont think you can look at the last 100 years, and say that the next 100 years will be exactly the same. The game is light years different.
It's a much better indicator than a blind prediction.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:30 pm to GeauxPack81
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and the top level in-state guys often choose other schools
This has been false for nearly a decade now. Top MS guys go to Ole Miss or State way more often than they leave Mississippi.
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presence of the rebel flag
Where?
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I can't remember the title of the book but there was a book written about Ole Miss recruiting when Orgeron was there and the book talks about how much of a struggle it was to get rid of that bad stigma
Meat Market by Bruce Feldman, and he's right to an extent. Once players actually visit campus, that stigma largely disappears. It's getting them to visit that's the hard part (especially when they have recruiters for opposing SEC schools bullshitting them about how WAYCESS Ole Miss is).
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:31 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
What do yall think of my ranking a couple posts up?
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:32 pm to WhiskeyBent
They're shite
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:36 pm to GeauxPack81
long term success- I would like to think Texas A&M is at the top; they have a huge recruit base, and their in-state competition is not sec; I think they will pull more and more 4+star in state recruits
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:38 pm to DCRebel
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Meat Market by Bruce Feldman, and he's right to an extent. Once players actually visit campus, that stigma largely disappears. It's getting them to visit that's the hard part (especially when they have recruiters for opposing SEC schools bullshitting them about how WAYCESS Ole Miss is).
This. Our biggest problem in the past is the perception vs. reality barrier.
Initial recruit interest being piqued has always been a problem for Ole Miss. Hell, most exit interviews with recruits have the quote "it was nothing like I expected" or "it was much better than I had heard...".
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:39 pm to mkh251
Texas pulled those same kids for the better part of a century and hasn't done shite outside of '05
A commitment to football excellence has to carry some weight in a conversation like this, and Aggie has shown they can be content with mediocrity
A commitment to football excellence has to carry some weight in a conversation like this, and Aggie has shown they can be content with mediocrity
Posted on 6/11/13 at 2:46 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
A&M has completely new leadership and culture. I was frustrated for years that A&M did not run the program as well as they could. The old Ags were just a different breed they loved to win 7 games. If you mentioned a black jersey or tweeting youd get run off the boards, believe me they hated me becasuse I wanted more for A&M and progress and Branding.
Now A&M has billboards all over the damn country has black jerseys, media blitz and a new young talented coach.
So I am hoping what you stated is no longer true. But you are right that it was that way. I think the commitment to a 450,000,000 stadium redo with 102,000 shows me A&M is going to max their potential. It is yet to be seen but I think A&M has finally figured it out.
Now A&M has billboards all over the damn country has black jerseys, media blitz and a new young talented coach.
So I am hoping what you stated is no longer true. But you are right that it was that way. I think the commitment to a 450,000,000 stadium redo with 102,000 shows me A&M is going to max their potential. It is yet to be seen but I think A&M has finally figured it out.
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