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re: Spinoff: Which SEC program is best built for long-term success in football?
Posted on 6/12/13 at 8:17 pm to bingo
Posted on 6/12/13 at 8:17 pm to bingo
I have followed SEC football and recruiting for 40 years. I also have a lot of training and work experience in crunching numbers.
The future of the SEC is in Texas and along the Atlantic coast.
The schools in between will diminish in importance due to the demographic trends being overwhelmingly against them.
Watch for Mr. Slive to take schools from North Carolina and Virginia as soon as he can due to the shift in population to those states.
The future of the SEC is in Texas and along the Atlantic coast.
The schools in between will diminish in importance due to the demographic trends being overwhelmingly against them.
Watch for Mr. Slive to take schools from North Carolina and Virginia as soon as he can due to the shift in population to those states.
This post was edited on 6/12/13 at 8:33 pm
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Posted on 6/12/13 at 8:55 pm to Maroon Flash
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eah bama and lsu have really knocked a big hole in Texas A&M's number 1 rated recruiting class!
You guys really are the new Arkansas.Posted on 6/12/13 at 8:56 pm to Maroon Flash
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I have followed SEC football and recruiting for 40 years. I also have a lot of training and work experience in crunching numbers.
Apparently it takes longer than 40 years to recognize when a recruiting class is done and over.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:05 pm to GeauxPack81
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1)LSU - No major in-state competition for recruits, more NFL players per capita than any other state, large following in east Texas, great stadium, huge fan base, decent tradition.
2)Georgia - Great talent level in state, above average academics, great campus, great city, biggest program in its state, good tradition, can grab recruits from state of Florida.
3)Florida - Location, Location, Location. Currently the state of Florida is stacked every year, even if they get out recruited by FSU some years and if out of state teams can get players from the state, UF will still be left with more than enough good athletes. Also, big stadium, multiple NCs.
4)Alabama - Above average talent in the state of Alabama, and they will always be big brother (sorry auburn). Great campus, huge stadium, ridiculously passionate fan base, great tradition. However, they have to be able to recruit Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, or Texas to have very high level success.
Bama is number one as long as Saban is at the helm. That will never change.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:07 pm to GeauxPack81
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that isn't long term
Saban will likely stick around for another 7-10 years at least, you don't call that long term?
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:11 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Saban will likely stick around for another 7-10 years at least, you don't call that long term?
Isn't he 60? 10 may be a lot to ask but 5-7 for sure.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:13 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
The OP used the basis of Long Term. That makes it irrespective of any one Coach.
lsu's best recruiting day's in Texas are in the past.
Houston and Dallas boys can now stay much closer to home and play for a young dynamic Coach in the largest and finest football stadium in the SEC.
lsu's best recruiting day's in Texas are in the past.
Houston and Dallas boys can now stay much closer to home and play for a young dynamic Coach in the largest and finest football stadium in the SEC.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:17 pm to Maroon Flash
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lsu's best recruiting day's in Texas are in the past.
We have the #6 & #23 player from Texas already committed with the #1 overall player a likely commit over the summer. But you've been following recruiting for 40 years, blah, blah, blah. Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:28 pm to Tigerdew
I know enough about recruiting to count.
From Scout for 2014
At this point Aggies 2522
Tigers 1725
I have already heard that the rest of the recruits are all lsu locks but you just lost your top QB lock to ND.
From Scout for 2014
At this point Aggies 2522
Tigers 1725
I have already heard that the rest of the recruits are all lsu locks but you just lost your top QB lock to ND.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:39 pm to Maroon Flash
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I know enough about recruiting to count.
From Scout for 2014
At this point Aggies 2522
Tigers 1725
You have 3 more guys on the board.
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I have already heard that the rest of the recruits are all lsu locks but you just lost your top QB lock to ND.
We'll be fine at QB. We kind of nailed it last year. I do like how you completely ignored the fact that Les walked into your now untouchable territory and took 3 of the top recruits including the overall #1 player in the state. 
Posted on 6/13/13 at 12:59 am to Tigerdew
Big Apple Tiger -Texas A&M is not Arkansas.
Arkansas is not or ever will be able to spend over $450 million for a football facilities upgrades project or turn out the NCAA's largest student section for games.
In two years Texas A&M's football facilities will be very clearly superior to yours. So keep digging.
Arkansas is not or ever will be able to spend over $450 million for a football facilities upgrades project or turn out the NCAA's largest student section for games.
In two years Texas A&M's football facilities will be very clearly superior to yours. So keep digging.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 2:35 am to Maroon Flash
Once a tacklebox..always a tacklebox..just now with brick exteriors and canopy up high to shield the shiny lures, cadets kissing cows, cannon, collie, and cheermoes in Pyle filling station attire.
Okay, it'll will be very nice, but at this point, it's semantics when LSU, Fla, Aub, Bama, Tenn, UGA, ATM, Ark argue stadiums, and will remain so, as the monster revenue checks and donor dollars are spent here forth in an already decades old SEC arms race.
Okay, it'll will be very nice, but at this point, it's semantics when LSU, Fla, Aub, Bama, Tenn, UGA, ATM, Ark argue stadiums, and will remain so, as the monster revenue checks and donor dollars are spent here forth in an already decades old SEC arms race.
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Posted on 6/13/13 at 2:51 am to genro
Wait...
So the team with the greatest long-term success to date is #4?
The state of Alabama produces talent well above it's population. An Alabama gets the lion's share of it.
Most SEC titles, most AP titles, Top winning % in the SEC... and #4?
Really now?
So the team with the greatest long-term success to date is #4?
The state of Alabama produces talent well above it's population. An Alabama gets the lion's share of it.
Most SEC titles, most AP titles, Top winning % in the SEC... and #4?
Really now?
Posted on 6/13/13 at 2:56 am to skrayper
Fans of a certain persuasion on this forum are going to have a melt down when Speedy Noil and other LA recruits sign with the Aggies!
Posted on 6/13/13 at 3:07 am to Maroon Flash
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I have followed SEC football and recruiting for 40 years. I also have a lot of training and work experience in crunching numbers.
Not very well, apparently.
In that stretch, Alabama has 7 National Titles wire-press national titles. That's more than any two teams in the SEC combined when using ALL of their National Titles. The rest of the SEC combined in that same stretch is 8.
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The future of the SEC is in Texas and along the Atlantic coast.
Florida and UGA, sure. A&M and USCe have to prove they can continue with long-term success. Being #6 in winning % compared to the SEC in that 40 year span isn't terribly impressive (A&M) and being #50 overall (South Carolina) is really unimpressive.
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The schools in between will diminish in importance due to the demographic trends being overwhelmingly against them.
Odd belief, considering it hasn't happened in the past 100 years.
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Watch for Mr. Slive to take schools from North Carolina and Virginia as soon as he can due to the shift in population to those states.
About the only thing you said that's even close to likely.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 3:12 am to Maroon Flash
That player density chart is one of the worst abuses of statistics I have ever seen!
Listiing of Number of NFL Players By State Where They Played HS Ball
California 268
Texas (one SEC school) 235
Florida (one SEC school) 222
Georgia (one SEC school) 113
Ohic 101
Louisiana(one SEC school) 75
skipping on down
Alabama (two SEC schools) 55
Texas, Florida and Georgoa are all staes where the population is growing. LONG TERM this will be the power centers for the SEC.
Check with Centre College if you don't think the world of football will change!
Listiing of Number of NFL Players By State Where They Played HS Ball
California 268
Texas (one SEC school) 235
Florida (one SEC school) 222
Georgia (one SEC school) 113
Ohic 101
Louisiana(one SEC school) 75
skipping on down
Alabama (two SEC schools) 55
Texas, Florida and Georgoa are all staes where the population is growing. LONG TERM this will be the power centers for the SEC.
Check with Centre College if you don't think the world of football will change!
Posted on 6/13/13 at 3:34 am to Maroon Flash
HTown alone, let alone all of Tejas, is an obscene NFL producer. Hasn't Houston been the biggest output town for many years now?
But, to think Texas ATM will just dominate consistently, when still having UT, other Texas schools, OU, LSU, Bama,etc..in there too..
I see even a possible longterm swing from UT to ATM, but that still doesn't mean that ATM will crush the field, get them all, and cash natty hardware(re: UGA in Ga)
I see ATM doing very well, and foresee great things for them, but slow that 3rd place roll, and from the contagious 7-on-7 spread drill/camp ball state..that mentality can at times be a disease filtering on down! Hallelujah SEC Expansion to ATM's rescue!
Last time an ATM team played consistent championship grade D, a Louisianan was the HC, and had some west La players on his roster.
But, to think Texas ATM will just dominate consistently, when still having UT, other Texas schools, OU, LSU, Bama,etc..in there too..
I see even a possible longterm swing from UT to ATM, but that still doesn't mean that ATM will crush the field, get them all, and cash natty hardware(re: UGA in Ga)
I see ATM doing very well, and foresee great things for them, but slow that 3rd place roll, and from the contagious 7-on-7 spread drill/camp ball state..that mentality can at times be a disease filtering on down! Hallelujah SEC Expansion to ATM's rescue!
Last time an ATM team played consistent championship grade D, a Louisianan was the HC, and had some west La players on his roster.
This post was edited on 6/13/13 at 3:38 am
Posted on 6/13/13 at 3:41 am to Maroon Flash
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Listiing of Number of NFL Players By State Where They Played HS Ball
California 268
Texas (one SEC school) 235
Florida (one SEC school) 222
Georgia (one SEC school) 113
Ohic 101
Louisiana(one SEC school) 75
skipping on down
Alabama (two SEC schools) 55
Texas A&M only recruits against in-state SEC schools? Impressive... I'm sure Texas and TCU never sign top athletes.
Alabama has, and will continue, to recruit nationally. Yes, it makes life easier on a Texas A&M coach because he can get most of his talent in-state, but an Alabama coach who goes out and works hard is, apparently, going to out recruit an A&M coach.
In the last since 2011, Alabama's rankings have been (247 sports):
2011 - #2 (Texas A&M - #31)
2012 - #1 (Texas A&M - #14)
2013 - #1 (Texas A&M - #8)
A&M only beat Texas once, following what was the worst showing by Texas in ages, and by signing 32 kids. Those kids might be playing high school ball in Texas, but apparently they're not playing college ball in Texas. By your logic, Texas and Texas A&M should've been the two top teams for years upon years, as they were the only two "power conference" teams in Texas, while the one state that had more, California, has 4.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 3:52 am to DCRebel
"I HEARD WHEN A BLACK PLAYER DROPS A PASS Y'ALL BEAT HIM BUT IF A WHITE PLAYER DROPS A PASS Y'ALL OFFER UP YOUR FIRST BORN DAUGHTER TO MAKE HIM FEEL BETTER"
/negative recruited'd
/negative recruited'd
Posted on 6/13/13 at 4:00 am to GeauxPack81
Just gonna do the top 7 because who cares about the bottom half?
1. Bama. With or without Saban, the only school that comes close to them in tradition is Michigan, and they're in the Big Ten.
2. UF. This is assuming Muschamp is not there. Too much talent in that state for them to slip, especially since they now have a tradition to build on unlike pre-1990.
3. LSU. Great stadium, solid tradition, great recruiting base.
4. UGA. UGA is a semi-national brand, and GA is one of the top states for high-level talent, although they need to improve a bit on keeping some of the best players in state.
5. USC. SC has a great amount of talent for its size, and pretty much every top level talent goes to USC or Clemson (with USC gaining an advantage every year), or a huge power such as Bama, with UGA cherrypicking the occasional top recruit.
6. A&M. Would put them higher, but I feel that if Texas ever fires Mack Brown and hires a competent recruiter, A&M's recruiting will fall off.
7. Arky/Ole Miss/UT. Arky can pull from East Texas and maybe keep the elite talent in Arkansas/Memphis back home. Mississippi has a solid talent base and Ole Miss will always be ahead of MSU. UT has the tradition and should be able to recruit NC and GA in addition to TN.
1. Bama. With or without Saban, the only school that comes close to them in tradition is Michigan, and they're in the Big Ten.
2. UF. This is assuming Muschamp is not there. Too much talent in that state for them to slip, especially since they now have a tradition to build on unlike pre-1990.
3. LSU. Great stadium, solid tradition, great recruiting base.
4. UGA. UGA is a semi-national brand, and GA is one of the top states for high-level talent, although they need to improve a bit on keeping some of the best players in state.
5. USC. SC has a great amount of talent for its size, and pretty much every top level talent goes to USC or Clemson (with USC gaining an advantage every year), or a huge power such as Bama, with UGA cherrypicking the occasional top recruit.
6. A&M. Would put them higher, but I feel that if Texas ever fires Mack Brown and hires a competent recruiter, A&M's recruiting will fall off.
7. Arky/Ole Miss/UT. Arky can pull from East Texas and maybe keep the elite talent in Arkansas/Memphis back home. Mississippi has a solid talent base and Ole Miss will always be ahead of MSU. UT has the tradition and should be able to recruit NC and GA in addition to TN.
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