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re: So How Does Bama Get The Best Players Year After Year?
Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:17 pm to StopRobot
Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:17 pm to StopRobot
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I like that you are using facts and all but that doesn't matter in these type threads
This thread has actually been semi-factual. It will change soon I'm sure. Tut Tiger hasn't yet seen it.
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:24 pm to randomways
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The kicker is, any major program in the country could do it. Miles and McElwain and Gus could all get away with it...if they had the guts.
You really think so? I don't.
It isn't just that the coaches don't have the guts to do that, the boosters don't have the guts to let them try. And coach without rings would be on the hot seat the second a big lazy local kid told the program to screw off. People love seeing hometown kids succeed.
Hell that is the whole point of the thread. It seems like Bama has a model that no one can copy. I was wondering why.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:24 pm to StopRobot
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I like that you are using facts and all but that doesn't matter in these type threads
What type of thread? A Bama thread?
Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:34 pm to cardboardboxer
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It seems like Bama has a model that no one can copy. I was wondering why.
And we won't be able to copy it once he is gone either
Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:37 pm to cardboardboxer
My hat's off to them, they get some good players.
My one question is, how do certain recruiting web sites always manage to somehow 'upgrade' Bama recruits in the final few days before NSD, while SIMULTANEOUSLY downgrading recruits committed to other schools.
Things that make you go HMMMMMMM ?????
IB4 'You mad bro, and butthurt' retorts from Skoal Drool Land........
My one question is, how do certain recruiting web sites always manage to somehow 'upgrade' Bama recruits in the final few days before NSD, while SIMULTANEOUSLY downgrading recruits committed to other schools.
Things that make you go HMMMMMMM ?????
IB4 'You mad bro, and butthurt' retorts from Skoal Drool Land........
Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:39 pm to MetryTyger
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My one question is, how do certain recruiting web sites always manage to somehow 'upgrade' Bama recruits in the final few days before NSD, while SIMULTANEOUSLY downgrading recruits committed to other schools.
Give us the breakdown from the last 5 years of all movement of Alabama recruits (up and down) and that of the other schools.
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Things that make you go HMMMMMMM ?????
IB4 'You mad bro, and butthurt' retorts from Skoal Drool Land........
Not to mention, not sure what that has with this thread. Our players are clearly the best. We put the most kids in the NFL, we win the most and we have the most depth. That is based on what those kids do on the field, not what some recruiting rankings say.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:46 pm to MetryTyger
quote:West Virginia? That's the state that uses the most smokeless tobacco. According to CDC statistics, MS, OK, NC, and MT round out the top 5.
retorts from Skoal Drool Land.....
Louisiana is 10th.
Alabama is not in the top 18 (only ones listed)
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This post was edited on 2/4/16 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:46 pm to genro
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Louisiana is 10th.
Alabama is not in the top 18 (only ones listed)
Oh, I'm shocked
Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:46 pm to cardboardboxer
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So How Does Bama Get The Best Players Year After Year?
Bottom line:
Everyone else is selling hope. Selling potential. Selling maybe. Everyone else is saying "you COULD be the missing piece", "you COULD help us get to X" (whatever heights they are trying to reach, which is different for everyone).
Alabama is selling proven process for desired results.
* You want to win championships? No one in the country wins them like we do. Every recruit who has signed with Bama since 2008 has won at least on championship.
* You want a chance to be a 1st rounder? Bama has put nearly double the players in the first round under Saban as the next closest school. You are nearly 2x as likely to be a first rounder at Bama than anywhere else - statistically speaking.
* You want awards? Bama has won 2 heismans in the past 6 years and has also had a player finish 2nd, two players finish 3rd during that time. We've had a player in NYC for the ceremony in 5 of the last 6 years.
Again, it's as simple as that. Everyone else is selling hope. Bama is selling results.
This post was edited on 2/4/16 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:57 pm to cardboardboxer
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You really think so? I don't.
It isn't just that the coaches don't have the guts to do that, the boosters don't have the guts to let them try. And coach without rings would be on the hot seat the second a big lazy local kid told the program to screw off. People love seeing hometown kids succeed.
Hell that is the whole point of the thread. It seems like Bama has a model that no one can copy. I was wondering why.
Well, to the extent that CFB is a zero-sum game, I concede that. If you have 10 coaches -- say, at the top 10 programs all-time -- running identical recruiting and coaching schemes (aka the Process), someone's going to be at top and someone's going to be on the bottom, and not all fanbases/boosters will be patient. But the process itself is viable at any major program (less viable at a program that can't recruit on name recognition) in theory. As you say, practically-speaking, there will be bumps. If Saban had required, say, four years of mediocrity before showing results, he probably never would have made it to the fifth year and the pay-off and Bama fans would never know what they lost unless Saban did it somewhere else (less likely because major programs would be leery of hiring a 'failure' like that.)
The local lazy kid depends on the locale, though. Les has lost out on multiple NO and NLA kids and still has a job.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 2:02 pm to MetryTyger
MetryTyger
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Things that make you go HMMMMMMM ?????
MetryTiger, you mad bro? yet again? geezzz you seem to STAY mad...and butthurt too. Do you wake up in the morning and see Ritter-refs, REC control of the world, holding penalties denied, scheduling plots, etc.?
Here is something just for your blessed little heart. NC game 2012 was NOT the first 21-0 defeat for LSU in a NC mulligan game.
In 1959 #1 ranked LSU beat #3 ranked Ole Miss 10-7 in the famous Billy Cannon Halloween run game. But in the "mulligan" in the sugar bowl, Ole Miss defeated LSU by... guess what score ... 21-0.
Think about that Metry .. 21-0, I mean concentrate on 21-0 and please also consider "it's a mauling folks a mauling..." and ponder 21-0's meaning in the universe, which is 2nd, 3rd 4th and 5th in the SEC west since that beating. Poor Metry... poor poor metry.
Have a nice 21-0 day.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 2:19 pm to randomways
I was with you on this. While not every iteration of this strategy will be equally as successful, I don't see anything about it that is inherently impossible to duplicate. I'm fairly certain it's what Kirby intends to try and do at UGA. The question is simply this:
"Can he produce on field results that instill confidence to land the next class? Can he continue to do so going forward?"
Right now he's got the benefit of using his rings from his time at Alabama, but in the near future it will be a what have you done for UGA lately conversation. With this strategy, you're only as good as your last year (or two). There is as you mentioned it a "ramp up" time that sort of comes with it inherently as well, you simply can't win the race if you don't have the horses. Alabama had a really accelerated ramp, where year 1 was a top 10ish class, and it's only gotten better. Couple that with Saban's relentless pursuit of excellence and ability to hire assistants that match his level of effort and you have the beginning of the machine. At that point, it just comes down to execution... at all phases. Whether that's players in the offseason doing the right things to get ready for competition, coaches and staffers staying on top of recruits, results on the field.
Also,
for a solid thread here with a few exceptions.
"Can he produce on field results that instill confidence to land the next class? Can he continue to do so going forward?"
Right now he's got the benefit of using his rings from his time at Alabama, but in the near future it will be a what have you done for UGA lately conversation. With this strategy, you're only as good as your last year (or two). There is as you mentioned it a "ramp up" time that sort of comes with it inherently as well, you simply can't win the race if you don't have the horses. Alabama had a really accelerated ramp, where year 1 was a top 10ish class, and it's only gotten better. Couple that with Saban's relentless pursuit of excellence and ability to hire assistants that match his level of effort and you have the beginning of the machine. At that point, it just comes down to execution... at all phases. Whether that's players in the offseason doing the right things to get ready for competition, coaches and staffers staying on top of recruits, results on the field.
Also,
for a solid thread here with a few exceptions.Posted on 2/4/16 at 2:45 pm to Cheeky Fellow
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The kicker is, any major program in the country could do it. Miles and McElwain and Gus could all get away with it...if they had the guts. Saban isn't special in that regard. He's just the one who was able to follow through.
quote:Prior to the SECCG Mac was interview, a reporter asked him what was Saban's secret? Mac laughed, shook his head and said "there is no secret", the whole program excels from top to bottom but there is nothing secret or super difficult about Saban's way of doing things.
Mac, Muschamp and Kirby have all said that "The Process" is basically just that, and they laugh when people talk about it as if it is some spiritual psychobabble.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 4:17 pm to RT1941
Other SEC West head coaches might have a chance to win more NCs if they were willing to work as many hours a year as Saban does. But, they aren't willing to work that hard. They figure, "why should I when I'm making over 4 million a year doing what I do now? I'm fine with where I am. I'm not going to kill myself by working that hard."
That's the difference.
That's the difference.
This post was edited on 2/4/16 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 2/4/16 at 4:39 pm to cardboardboxer
Prestige, current success, and they pay the frick out of players in an era where the NCAA has literally no teeth.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 4:42 pm to bmy
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pay the frick out of players
Proof?
So I guess LSU is lily white, huh bruh?
Posted on 2/4/16 at 4:49 pm to nc14
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nc14
You must be a Warriors and Patriots fan as well?
Posted on 2/4/16 at 4:51 pm to AlabamasSalaryCap
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AlabamasSalaryCap
So bamsessed
Posted on 2/4/16 at 4:55 pm to AlabamasSalaryCap
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Warriors
Bro. A front running NBA fan is Lakers or Bulls.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 4:57 pm to cardboardboxer
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Bro. A front running NBA fan is Lakers or Bulls.
These days, it ain't wrong to add the Warriors.
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