Champagne
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re: What modern support would it have taken for Pickett to break through at Gettysburg?
Posted by Champagne on 6/29/26 at 9:52 pm to antibarner
One battery of self-propelled 155mm field artillery support.
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It's kind of weird the way that the Yanks have lost 4 in a row and the Rays have won 5 in a row.
That trend can't continue much longer, I don't think.
That trend can't continue much longer, I don't think.
At Tad Gormley Stadium?
That was incredible.
Nobody in the world thought that the RS could win that game after the Yanks went up by 2 in the Top of the 10th.
Yankee fans everywhere were ecstatic and then suddenly - crushed. Oh well. At least they have the Knicks.
Nobody in the world thought that the RS could win that game after the Yanks went up by 2 in the Top of the 10th.
Yankee fans everywhere were ecstatic and then suddenly - crushed. Oh well. At least they have the Knicks.
Meade had plenty of chances to attack Lee after Gettysburg. The big chance came after the Potomac River was too flooded to allow Lee's Army to escape to the South.
Meade had his chance then. He had Lee trapped. Meade wisely chose to refrain from trying to smash Lee's trapped Army. The Rebels were heavily entrenched, well-supported by artillery and waiting.
There were other movements later in 1863 but nothing that came close to your conclusion that Lee was lucky that he didn't get annihilated in 1863 after Gettysburg. There is really no evidence to support your conclusion.
The Fifth and Sixth Corps of the Army of the Potomac were not strong enough to attack and destroy Lee's Army after Gettysburg.
I respectfully disagree with your opinion.
Meade had his chance then. He had Lee trapped. Meade wisely chose to refrain from trying to smash Lee's trapped Army. The Rebels were heavily entrenched, well-supported by artillery and waiting.
There were other movements later in 1863 but nothing that came close to your conclusion that Lee was lucky that he didn't get annihilated in 1863 after Gettysburg. There is really no evidence to support your conclusion.
The Fifth and Sixth Corps of the Army of the Potomac were not strong enough to attack and destroy Lee's Army after Gettysburg.
I respectfully disagree with your opinion.
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Meade had sufficient reserves and a plan for a counterattack that never got going good.
Lee was vulnerable, very vulnerable.
Please link us to a list of these reserve divisions that Meade had at his disposal on July 5th, 1863. Be careful to not list any units in the Army of the Potomac, because those are not reserves, that's the one Union Field Army in the Eastern Theater.
NEVER MIND. I found them. AI is a great research tool. There were about 10 regiments out there to help Meade. He used most of them to replace the lost regiments of the Union 3rd Corps.
re: Former trans hooker uses sock puppet during speech in mayoral contest
Posted by Champagne on 6/29/26 at 6:01 pm to Crimson Wraith
Seems like this kind of politician is the future of the US Democratic Party.
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I'm not sure many understand how close Lee was to annihilation with his foray into Pennsylvania. Union incompetence keeps him intact
Could you explain this a little more for us? I'm not sure I'm aware of the Union armies that were going to annihilate Lee in PA in the summer of 1863.
The Army of the Potomac did not outnumber Lee's Army by much. Also, there were few if any extra Union troops around the area that could have reinforced Meade's Army of the Potomac. Meade's Army was in no shape at all to annihilate Lee's Army at any point. Are you kidding? Lee's infantry on the defensive supported by the Field Artillery shooting canister? Meade was smarter than to try that.
The Fortress of Wash DC was stripped of most of its troops so they could be part of the Army of the Potomac.
If Lee could have managed to defeat Meade's Army of the Potomac in detail, piece by piece in separate unequal battles, there was not another Union Army in reserve to fight Lee.
Wash DC would have been in Deep Trouble, if Lee could have crippled and chased off Meade's Army. The USA would have been compelled to come to some sort of Armistice or Peace Agreement, because, Meade's Army was all that the USA had in that area of the Eastern Theater.
Confederate military power was at its zenith in the Summer of 1863 and that power was concentrated in Lee's Army. If used more skillfully than it was, the nascent Confederate States of American just might have forced the USA to the peace settlement table.
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If Meade decides to do with the Pipe's Creek scenario, it's over for Lee and the Confederacy right there. Grant has Vicksburg and control of the Mississippi and Meade has Lee trapped in Pennsylvania with his supply lines potentially cut and no one in a position to "rescue" him with his back to the Susquehanna
You are assuming that Meade steps back to the Pipe Creek Defense line, and that Lee attacks him there and fails, because frontal attacks against infantry dug-in and supported by field artillery was virtually impregnable in 1863? Yes, I agree with your scenario.
But if Lee could have found a way to beat Meade one more time at Pipe's Creek, then there might be a different result.
Here's the force march timeline for each of Lee's nine Infantry Divisions if he were able to get them on the road to Gettysburg at 10 pm on 28 June 1863. All of his Divisions would have easily got to Gettysburg within 24 hours.
Corps / DivisionLocation at 10:00 PM (June 28)
Distance to GettysburgForced March Time
First Corps (Longstreet)• Lafayette McLawsChambersburg, PA~25 miles
8.3 hours• George PickettChambersburg, PA~25 miles8.3 hours• John Bell HoodChambersburg, PA~25 miles8.3 hours
Second Corps (Ewell)• Jubal EarlyYork / Wrightsville, PA~30 miles10.0 hours• Robert RodesCarlisle, PA~30 miles10.0 hours• Edward "Allegheny" JohnsonNear Carlisle / Shippensburg~33 miles11.0 hours
Third Corps (A.P. Hill)• Henry HethCashtown, PA~8 miles2.7 hours• William Dorsey PenderFayetteville, PA~17 miles5.7 hours;
Richard Anderson's Division Fayetteville, PA 17 miles 5.7 hours.
Lee's Army was not able to rapidly concentrate upon receiving the news about Meade being near Frederick MD. I'm not sure why.
Corps / DivisionLocation at 10:00 PM (June 28)
Distance to GettysburgForced March Time
First Corps (Longstreet)• Lafayette McLawsChambersburg, PA~25 miles
8.3 hours• George PickettChambersburg, PA~25 miles8.3 hours• John Bell HoodChambersburg, PA~25 miles8.3 hours
Second Corps (Ewell)• Jubal EarlyYork / Wrightsville, PA~30 miles10.0 hours• Robert RodesCarlisle, PA~30 miles10.0 hours• Edward "Allegheny" JohnsonNear Carlisle / Shippensburg~33 miles11.0 hours
Third Corps (A.P. Hill)• Henry HethCashtown, PA~8 miles2.7 hours• William Dorsey PenderFayetteville, PA~17 miles5.7 hours;
Richard Anderson's Division Fayetteville, PA 17 miles 5.7 hours.
Lee's Army was not able to rapidly concentrate upon receiving the news about Meade being near Frederick MD. I'm not sure why.
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Surprised, unexpected
Yes. I see what you mean. Indeed. Although this news should have been completely foreseen and expected by Lee, somehow, he did not expect to hear this news from a spy. Lee put all of his trust in Stuart to keep Lee informed. When Lee realized that Stuart had failed completely, Lee was deflated.
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Isn’t it the conventional wisdom that unlike previous Northern generals, Meade acted quickly and surprised Lee? Remember too, there was no Stuart telling Lee what was going on.
No, I don't think the conventional wisdom is that Meade surprised Lee. Lee was fully informed in the early hours of 28 June 1863 that Meade's whole Army had crossed the Potomac River and was marching North to do battle with him.
This was not a "surprise" in the sense that Lee was caught in an irreparably adverse situation. Lee had plenty of time to get cracking and concentrate his Army at the only obvious road hub on the map, which was Gettysburg.
Lee may have dawdled a bit out of a sense of caution caused by lack of military intelligence, but, he was not surprised. I don't think most historians would use that word.
It's almost 10pm local time right now. Lee should have had his nine infantry divisions forced marching towards Gettysburg for over 12 hours by now. In fact, if Lee had been moving fast, they would already be there sleeping and waiting for Buford's cavalry. I don't think that any of Lee's nine infantry divisions were more than a 12 hour march from Gettysburg on 28 June 1863.
re: British police are threatening to ARREST people who use air conditioners
Posted by Champagne on 6/28/26 at 9:39 pm to Placekicker
I'm glad that Europe is banning all air conditioning. Just makes more for me here in Louisiana !
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I would like to return the conversation to the specific historical date of June 28th, 1863.
Folks, take a look at where General Lee had his nine Infantry Divisions on this exact date. If he had had the foresight to begin concentrating his divisions at Gettysburg starting early this morning, IMHO he would have achieved a decisive concentration of forces that would have overwhelmed the Union Army before it could concentrate. Lee would have compelled Meade to withdraw from Gettysburg and fall back to defend the Pipe Creek defense line.
Folks, take a look at where General Lee had his nine Infantry Divisions on this exact date. If he had had the foresight to begin concentrating his divisions at Gettysburg starting early this morning, IMHO he would have achieved a decisive concentration of forces that would have overwhelmed the Union Army before it could concentrate. Lee would have compelled Meade to withdraw from Gettysburg and fall back to defend the Pipe Creek defense line.
re: Another Round of Negotiations Now Cancelled
Posted by Champagne on 6/28/26 at 8:33 pm to RollingwiththeTide
I read you post and it seems clear to me that POTUS Trump does not have an option to impose further mass destruction on Iran, nor is ground invasion an option.
So, I think maybe POTUS Trump is playing the hand he has been dealt, and, for all we know, he may by playing this hand as well as it might be played.
So, I think maybe POTUS Trump is playing the hand he has been dealt, and, for all we know, he may by playing this hand as well as it might be played.
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Political expediency is Trumps kryptonite
The USA's domestic political landscape forces Trump to seek "Peace" at this point in time. He knows that there can be no real peace with the IRGC, but, he is compelled by the domestic political situation to make the effort regardless of the reality of the nature of Islamic Iran.
Peace with Islamic Iran?? That is absolutely preposterous and dangerously delusional, if anybody might sincerely believe that this might be possible.
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Not sure if you're serious or just a terrible attempt at sarcasm?
I think our little Conservative Bubble here on TD vastly underestimates how very little We the People as a collective really care about attacking Iran. We want no more war and cheap gas AND if inflation isn't under control, We will vote the Dems back into power once the Dems promise "Affordability" to us.
You folks think that We the People, as a collective, are committed to knocking off the IRGC? I'm saying that as a collective We the People have never even heard of the IRGC AND we have no knowledge whatsoever about what Islamic Iran has been up to since 1979. We don't know and in fact we do not care.
Me personally? I want to occupy Iran and De-nazify it like we did to Nazi Germany. The American people are NOT with me on this.
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JEB Stuart was a West Point grad and a cavalry officer in the army before the war. He was a professional soldier.
Yes, of course. I should not have hi-jacked the thread with my comment.
re: George Meade took command of the Army of the Potomac on this day in 1863...
Posted by Champagne on 6/28/26 at 5:01 pm to michael corleone
Have people ever considered that the reason why the CSA cavalry and its leadership failed so badly in 1863 was because it was an amateur group of horse raiders rather than a high-functioning professional Cavalry Arm?
They failed because they were bad at their jobs. Their job was to be a highly skilled professional Cavalry Arm doing important things for the Army Commander like Strategic Recon, Tactical Recon, Screening Ops, Communications Ops, etc.
Stuart was the man in charge of the Cavalry. Have people ever considered that maybe the CSA Cav was bad because it reflected the skill-set of its Leader?
They failed because they were bad at their jobs. Their job was to be a highly skilled professional Cavalry Arm doing important things for the Army Commander like Strategic Recon, Tactical Recon, Screening Ops, Communications Ops, etc.
Stuart was the man in charge of the Cavalry. Have people ever considered that maybe the CSA Cav was bad because it reflected the skill-set of its Leader?
re: George Meade took command of the Army of the Potomac on this day in 1863...
Posted by Champagne on 6/28/26 at 4:02 pm to michael corleone
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The turning point was Lee’s decision to make ANY attack on Day 2.
Yes, that's true. With optimal battlefield intelligence regarding the whereabouts of the whole Union Army, Lee might have decided to forego any major attacks on Day 2 in order to attempt a strategic turning maneuver towards the South and around the Union Army's Left Flank. I think that most all of Stuart's Cavalry command would have been present by sunset on Day 2 such that an excellent Cavalry Recon operation would have enabled and facilitated Lee's Great Turning Movement.
The Union Army Generals were concerned about this very eventuality, as you know.
re: George Meade took command of the Army of the Potomac on this day in 1863...
Posted by Champagne on 6/28/26 at 3:58 pm to JerryTheKingBawler
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A Great American hero doing his part in defeating the traitorous losers.
AND he did heroic work in making the USA Safe and Welcoming for TransKids !! :usa:
And won't we all be eternally grateful for that !
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