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re: So How Does Bama Get The Best Players Year After Year?
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:42 pm to Rocco Lampone
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:42 pm to Rocco Lampone
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Interesting that you went with Hale, instead of OJ.
I meant to have OJ on there too, but Hentges would classify as a starter too. He played a ton.
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:43 pm to cardboardboxer
Success breeds success.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:46 pm to cardboardboxer
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So How Does Bama Get The Best Players Year After Year?
We let them bang your mom. She's really helpful.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:47 pm to Cheeky Fellow
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Clearly nothing is foolproof. We miss on kids like everybody else does. Saban's recruiting philosophy is engrained with his program and coaching philosophy. If we aren't winning then the whole thing might crumble.
Good point. I guess there is always a risk (especially post Saban when some of the cachet leaves with him) that a few bad Apples could spoil the locker room if they find a way into the system. No system is perfect.
Thank you all for the great conversation.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:48 pm to skrayper
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We let them bang your mom. She's really helpful.
Wow it took till the fourth page for a shitty comment like that. I am pretty proud of the Rant today.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:50 pm to cardboardboxer
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few bad Apples could spoil the locker room if they find a way into the system
It sounds like 1st world problems but that happened in 2013. Guys were (apparently, per scuttlebutt) doing the "rest on our laurels" thing, seemed to have pretty piss poor attitudes, etc. We were super talented so it took a while to materialize, but the Oklahoma game was apparently kind of when everything just spilled out. 2010 was kind of similar.
The most amazing thing Saban has done is find ways to keep our guys motivated post-success.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:50 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:It's a big secret, but we easily have one of the best fanbases on here. It's obscured because LSU fans pretty much control the narrative and everyone constantly trolls us.
Wow it took till the fourth page for a shitty comment like that. I am pretty proud of the Rant today.
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:51 pm to cardboardboxer
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why can't other programs successfully negative recruit against Bama just based on the roster alone?
The link below may (or may not) answer some of your questions...either way I thought it was an interesting read on Bama's counter to negative recruiting:
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:51 pm to genro
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It's a big secret, but we easily have one of the best fanbases on here. It's obscured because LSU fans pretty much control the narrative and everyone constantly trolls us.
Agree, we generally have posters who like posting about interesting topics and even our assholes are generally pretty intelligently sarcastic.
Our ratio of mentally incompetent to good poster is much better than a lot here.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:56 pm to genro
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It's a big secret, but we easily have one of the best fanbases on here.
Oh I have known that since day one. Everyone gives us shite for "riding Bama's dick" when really its the fact that yall are the only fanbase that is decent to us and doesn't laugh when we try to make something better of ourselves.
My theory is that Bama fans have a sense of security about their place in the college football world that is unmatched. Other fan bases like LSU, Auburn or Tenn know that their program is only elite when the planets line up properly so to speak, so subconsciously they see anyone that might have success other than them to be a threat even if they don't admit it. Bama fans see no one as a threat, in fact they are more like AT&T in the 80's hoping for some more competition so the market doesn't shut down due to their monopoly over success.
I could be wrong though.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:57 pm to cardboardboxer
Sure some talented kids get processed and transfer but for the most part I believe kids realize that playing for Saban (including riding the pine until their time) is something special and they want to be a part of this historical run.
Plus being able to tell a recruit that every one of Saban's recruiting classes has won at least one National championship has to carry some weight. Odds are if they come to Bama while Saban is there then they'll end up with a ring.
Plus being able to tell a recruit that every one of Saban's recruiting classes has won at least one National championship has to carry some weight. Odds are if they come to Bama while Saban is there then they'll end up with a ring.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:58 pm to cardboardboxer
They win championships. Every kid in the last 6 classes has been on a national championship team. That's a pretty good pitch to able to make a kid.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:00 pm to genro
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It's a big secret, but we easily have one of the best fanbases on here
The disappearance of TreyAnastasio has really helped the Bama fan rant ranking.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:03 pm to stickly
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They win championships. Every kid in the last 6 classes has been on a national championship team. That's a pretty good pitch to able to make a kid.
Agreed...remember hearing on the CFP Championship game telecast, during all the post-game hoopla, that every recruit of the Saban era at Bama that stayed for at least 3 years had a National Championship ring to show for it...
Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:03 pm to stickly
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They win championships. Every kid in the last 6 classes has been on a national championship team. That's a pretty good pitch to able to make a kid
Actually, every class since 2006 has won a national championship at Bama.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:10 pm to cardboardboxer
What a lot of people here are kind of touching on needs to be said outright -- Saban isn't so much selecting kids as he's forcing them to self-select. When he's making his pitch, he generally has no idea what a kid is like in general. It's not as though there are freely-available psych profiles on them. So his sell is also essentially a test. If the kid responds, or at least shows some interest, that kid is someone he wants. It takes guts for a coach to do that because what coach wants to scare off a top recruit from the get-go? Coaches have jobs, they have bills. They need talent. But what Saban has figured out by having the courage to take that risk is something every coach in America would agree with even if they're too scared to follow the Saban model: a kid who is willing to work hard and beat the best competition is going to be the best football player. Take the most freewheeling, buddy-buddy coach around and even though he might have a completely different approach to coaching and recruiting, he's likely to agree 100% with that dictum.
Most of Saban's hardest work is now years in the past. When he was at LSU, or when he was taking over at a Bama in the doldrums, his approach would have been nerve-wracking. LSU didn't sell itself. Bama after sanctions didn't really sell itself. But he had the will to stick to his plan even though it was likely to make life difficult on occasion. Think of it as a less-brutal version of the Junction Boys philosophy.
The kicker is, any major program in the country could do it. Miles and McElwain and Gus could all get away with it...if they had the guts. Saban isn't special in that regard. He's just the one who was able to follow through.
Most of Saban's hardest work is now years in the past. When he was at LSU, or when he was taking over at a Bama in the doldrums, his approach would have been nerve-wracking. LSU didn't sell itself. Bama after sanctions didn't really sell itself. But he had the will to stick to his plan even though it was likely to make life difficult on occasion. Think of it as a less-brutal version of the Junction Boys philosophy.
The kicker is, any major program in the country could do it. Miles and McElwain and Gus could all get away with it...if they had the guts. Saban isn't special in that regard. He's just the one who was able to follow through.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:12 pm to randomways
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The kicker is, any major program in the country could do it. Miles and McElwain and Gus could all get away with it...if they had the guts. Saban isn't special in that regard. He's just the one who was able to follow through.
Mac, Muschamp and Kirby have all said that "The Process" is basically just that, and they laugh when people talk about it as if it is some spiritual psychobabble.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:13 pm to Cheeky Fellow
I also think that many programs throw freshman in from the start and it hurts the players. Sure you can recruit with the promise of starting as a freshman but reality is that most players are not ready at 18 to play big time college football. You see it all the time where a highly touted freshman does not live up to expectations. In my opinion this , in a lot of cases , is due to the player starting too early in college and losing confidence or the edge they had when in high school by being one of the best. Once that mentality is gone , they usually don't get it back. At Bama , they make sure guys are ready whether it be strong enough , smart enough , fast enough , big enough , etc before putting them on the field. So instead of putting guys in a position to fail , Bama tries to have them ready when they are thrown on the field.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:14 pm to Robin Masters
quote:Derrick Henry didn't start until his junior year. He had to wait his turn behind TJ Yeldon. When he did start, he started for 1 year, earned the heisman, doak walker, all-american and will be drafted this year.
Early playing time isn't what it used to be. A kid just needs one big year to earn a high draft grade. Sit, learn and save your body for the NFL.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 1:16 pm to Cheeky Fellow
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Cheeky Fellow
I like that you are using facts and all but that doesn't matter in these type threads
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