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re: So How Does Bama Get The Best Players Year After Year?
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:12 pm to Cheeky Fellow
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:12 pm to Cheeky Fellow
That's a huge thing too. Saban not only has the track record of getting them in the NFL, he has the connections. Between his connections and how much he's respected, he can call any NFL coach/GM and they will answer and listen to him. I don't think there's very many, if any, other college coaches that can do that.
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:12 pm to Chris Warner
And I will add, not every kid wants we offer, and that doesn't mean they won't be great players.
Clowney is a perfect example. He wasn't a fan of the regimented program we ran. Some kids are interested in early PT. Some kids want a coach like Dabo and not a coach like Saban. That's fine, and it works out for some of them. And sometimes kids show up, realize it isn't the place for them and generally hop out within a few years.
Clowney is a perfect example. He wasn't a fan of the regimented program we ran. Some kids are interested in early PT. Some kids want a coach like Dabo and not a coach like Saban. That's fine, and it works out for some of them. And sometimes kids show up, realize it isn't the place for them and generally hop out within a few years.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:12 pm to cardboardboxer
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I never said it never happens, but the reality is that the Bama roster is loaded so kids who would start day one at other programs have to wait years to play at Bama.
Saban actually addressed this in a recent interview. IIRC, he said 11-12 of Alabama's 2015 signing class played as freshmen and the rest redshirted. A 50-50 shot to play as a freshman for a perennial contender is pretty danged good.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:12 pm to Cheeky Fellow
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Not anymore than any other school the last 5 years. We have kids transfer in and out like everybody else.
Sure sure, but if you have to wait years just to see if you get a chance to start by the time Nick skips over you it is probably too late to go somewhere else and have a decent career.
A lot of the time we see kids from other programs transfer who are sophomores or redshirt freshman, maybe every now and then a senior graduate. If you are riding the bench your sophomore year you don't even know where you stand.
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Kids want to come in and compete. Our entire program is based on competing at everything you do.
Seems like most of the top kids want the payday and the glory of the NFL. Other programs watch as kids jump at the chance to leave early to chase their dreams. What does Bama offer that is so great to possibly pass/delay that NFL payday? Are college football championships that meaningful, or does Bama offer a development advantage no other program can match?
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:13 pm to genro
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That's a huge thing too. Saban not only has the track record of getting them in the NFL, he has the connections. Between his connections and how much he's respected, he can call any NFL coach or scout and they will answer and listen to him. I don't think there's very many, if any, other college coaches that can do that.
And apparently, even with all that on the resume, he is the best at explaining to a kid how we will use him and develop him at specific spots and with specific traits to help be "the best him he can be" as Saban always says. They develop unique plans for each kid and are among the best at communicating how they will implement that plan and get the kid to the NFL.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:13 pm to Chris Warner
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$$$.rec
Why don't you call the FBI?
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:14 pm to cardboardboxer
First Alabama doesn't get all the players it wants. Bama missed on a few this year as it does every year. There are certain kids who simply have no fear of competition and think they are the best. They don't care who else is on the roster because it doesn't really cross their mind when being recruited that they are going to win the job pretty quickly. There are also certain kids who want to win above almost everything else. Doesn't always turn out that way obviously but when they are committing to a school this is what they think. Alabama is able to get those kids more than other programs right now because of what Saban has built, winning, facilities, NFL, etc.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:15 pm to cardboardboxer
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If you are riding the bench your sophomore year you don't even know where you stand.
We have tons of kids start contributing their Junior years. Tons.
From last year alone : Tim Williams, Ryan Anderson, Denzel Devall even Reuben Foster. Lacy and Henry weren't starters until their junior year. Kids are told where they are, how they fit and what they have to do.
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What does Bama offer that is so great to possibly pass/delay that NFL payday?
Nothing is getting delayed. We aren't making them stay for an extra year. They leave the same time (generally) that they leave at other schools. Kids don't have to start as freshmen to be able to leave after 3 years.
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does Bama offer a development advantage no other program can match
It's definitely in the top 2-3, yes.
This post was edited on 2/4/16 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:17 pm to JustGetItRight
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I think Bama does a really good job of identifying the players that will respond to the pitch they use. They aren't selling playing time. They're selling a chance to compete and show you're the best. Some players embrace that challenge and I think those are the types Bama targets - which is a double-positive for Bama in that the kids all expect the same thing when they arrive (no aTm-like drama) and they've got the type of attitude that readily buys into Saban's process.
Fair enough, that makes sense.
So Bama IS selecting, and part of the selection process is targeting kids that fit the mold?
That is pretty genius if true, because a side effect is you concentrate the prima donnas on other rosters IE your competition.
Thank you for all the serious responses.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:18 pm to cardboardboxer
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So Bama IS selecting, and part of the selection process is targeting kids that fit the mold?
Yes, and Saban is possibly the GOAT at this. It is his best skill according to most people.
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That is pretty genius if true, because a side effect is you concentrate the prima donnas on other rosters IE your competition.
We still end up having some "bad apples" or kids who just don't mesh with everything. And some years we have had enough of those that it cratered the season. But generally Saban hits pretty well on all that.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:18 pm to cardboardboxer
The "Process" is proven to work. These kids, their parents, their legal guardians, HS coaches and 7 on 7 coaches see what the Bama brand brings consistantly year in and year out.
Alabama has a slogan/tag line.... "Built by Bama" and it is a proven concept.
Some kids are willing to buy in to that concept and reap the rewards that come with it. That's not without saying we have our bad apples just like every other program - these are kids afterall.
Alabama has a slogan/tag line.... "Built by Bama" and it is a proven concept.
Some kids are willing to buy in to that concept and reap the rewards that come with it. That's not without saying we have our bad apples just like every other program - these are kids afterall.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:18 pm to OMapologist
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*pre madonnas you dumb dumb
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:19 pm to cardboardboxer
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:21 pm to beHop
Oh yea, I forgot to mention the Dodge Chargers. Those too.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:22 pm to cardboardboxer
The idea that these 5* kids come in and sit for multiple years is generally overstated. As an example, look at the 2015 class which featured 6 5-star players.
Calvin Ridley - leading receiver
Kendall Sheffield CB - came in with another 5* that beat him out and behind a class that featured the top 2 CB in the country, and a senior all SEC CB. That being said, he will have a legitimate shot at starting this year with Cyrus moving on.
Blake Barnett QB- Needed time to grow a year and was behind a senior QB. Expected by many to be the favorite to win the starting job.
Daron Payne DT - Played and became a staple in the DL rotation despite it being the strongest unit on the team, if not the entire country.
Minkah Fitzpatrick CB- Starter
Damien Harris RB - Didn't red shirt and got carries despite being behind the Heisman winner.. Also returned kicks.
The point is if you are good enough to play and do what you are supposed to do and stay out of the doghouse (Tony Brown) you will get a shot early and often. I'm guessing the ego that a 5* recruit carries with everyone begging for their signature is significant. This leads to them wanting to compete with the best as they believe they are better. Couple this with what has already been mentioned (great coach, winning championships, elite facilities, NFL, etc..) and you have your answer.
Calvin Ridley - leading receiver
Kendall Sheffield CB - came in with another 5* that beat him out and behind a class that featured the top 2 CB in the country, and a senior all SEC CB. That being said, he will have a legitimate shot at starting this year with Cyrus moving on.
Blake Barnett QB- Needed time to grow a year and was behind a senior QB. Expected by many to be the favorite to win the starting job.
Daron Payne DT - Played and became a staple in the DL rotation despite it being the strongest unit on the team, if not the entire country.
Minkah Fitzpatrick CB- Starter
Damien Harris RB - Didn't red shirt and got carries despite being behind the Heisman winner.. Also returned kicks.
The point is if you are good enough to play and do what you are supposed to do and stay out of the doghouse (Tony Brown) you will get a shot early and often. I'm guessing the ego that a 5* recruit carries with everyone begging for their signature is significant. This leads to them wanting to compete with the best as they believe they are better. Couple this with what has already been mentioned (great coach, winning championships, elite facilities, NFL, etc..) and you have your answer.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:23 pm to Cheeky Fellow
They cheat like hell. They won't be stopped cause Saban has major dirt on Mark Emmeret Pres of NCAA. 
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:24 pm to golfntiger32
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They cheat like hell. They won't be stopped cause Saban has major dirt on Mark Emmeret Pres of NCAA.
If we are winning 4 of 7 national titles and finishing #1 and Auburn is averaging going 8-5 and finishing #5-10..........Auburn must be really really cheating. Who do they have dirt on?
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:26 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:It's so damn nice to read serious comments and have an actual discussion in here. A rarity!
Thank you for all the serious responses.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:27 pm to Jseakin
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The idea that these 5* kids come in and sit for multiple years is generally overstated. As an example, look at the 2015 class which featured 6 5-star players.
2014 class
5-star Cam Robinson : started from day 1
5-star Da'Shawn Hand : played as a reserve freshman year, played in regular rotation sophomore year
5-star Marlon Humphrey : redshirted, started every game as a RS-FR
5-star Rashaan Evans : played on special teams freshman year, played on ST and in defensive rotation sophomore year
5-star Tony Brown : played a lot as a freshman, got in doghouse
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:28 pm to Cheeky Fellow
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Nothing is getting delayed. We aren't making them stay for an extra year.
But you just said that some don't start till their Junior year! That confuses me.
Elsewhere the Junior year is the "show me" year for five star talent who wants to leave early for the NFL. But at Bama apparently it is the start of their playing time. And it's not like kids get an extra year to play at Bama than elsewhere.
I guess the question I really want answered yall can't answer and I shouldn't even ask because it sounds trollish. Hell I will try:
Is there a chance that part of the success is the fact that kids are getting baited and switched- IE sold on the results of the NFL stars Bama does produce while hiding the kids who learn Junior year (after years of waiting) that some hot young freshman will start over him? Basically is there any chance that Bama is taking advantage of the naivety of ego-driven 18 year old boys? Or is Saban very transparant?
I just can't reconcile all of the facts together (many start as juniors, others start as freshmen, the roster is loaded, etc.) otherwise.
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